Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Dod's size and shape .. its on the wrong leg .. it straps on the middle one ... LOL ..
I've been leg carrying and it SUCKS!
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Many LE agencies have banned them as well.
Appendix carry is a dangerous way to draw and reholster from at the range in large numbers. That’s why it’s banned at many ranges as well as shoulder holsters and ankle holsters . Some ranges don’t allow the gun to be drawn directly from the holster as well.
Those bans aren’t because of a higher incidents of NDs but what happens if they do have one.
But the Sherpa holster has a higher rate of NDs than most other designs
LAPD Bans Use Of Blackhawk SERPA Holster for Safety Reasons | Locked Back
Due to safety concerns, the LAPD has banned the use of Blackhawk SERPA holsters.
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Now if you say a it’s a training issue like this person claims
Are Serpa Holsters Dangerous?
This week's blog theme focuses on common questions from students.SERPA holsters are a type of retention device that is deactivated with your trigger finger. The idea is to keep the deactivation of the retention mechanism as natural to the draw stroke as possible. As a law enforcement firearms...
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It is still a dangerous holster. Why? Because if you had to draw while in a struggle, your finger might not be in the proper position to draw it safely. In a panic/ high stress quick draw, the finger might not be in a” safe” position to draw ( fine motor control decreases in those situations)
It’s a “dangerous “ holster for quick draws.
Many LE agencies have banned them as well.
Appendix carry is a dangerous way to draw and reholster from at the range in large numbers. That’s why it’s banned at many ranges as well as shoulder holsters and ankle holsters . Some ranges don’t allow the gun to be drawn directly from the holster as well.
Those bans aren’t because of a higher incidents of NDs but what happens if they do have one.
But the Sherpa holster has a higher rate of NDs than most other designs
LAPD Bans Use Of Blackhawk SERPA Holster for Safety Reasons | Locked Back
Due to safety concerns, the LAPD has banned the use of Blackhawk SERPA holsters.
Now if you say a it’s a training issue like this person claims
Are Serpa Holsters Dangerous?
This week's blog theme focuses on common questions from students.SERPA holsters are a type of retention device that is deactivated with your trigger finger. The idea is to keep the deactivation of the retention mechanism as natural to the draw stroke as possible. As a law enforcement firearms...
It is still a dangerous holster. Why? Because if you had to draw while in a struggle, your finger might not be in the proper position to draw it safely. In a panic/ high stress quick draw, the finger might not be in a” safe” position to draw ( fine motor control decreases in those situations)
It’s a “dangerous “ holster for quick draws.
Don't bother dude.
Many LE agencies have banned them as well.
Appendix carry is a dangerous way to draw and reholster from at the range in large numbers. That’s why it’s banned at many ranges as well as shoulder holsters and ankle holsters . Some ranges don’t allow the gun to be drawn directly from the holster as well.
Those bans aren’t because of a higher incidents of NDs but what happens if they do have one.
But the Sherpa holster has a higher rate of NDs than most other designs
LAPD Bans Use Of Blackhawk SERPA Holster for Safety Reasons | Locked Back
Due to safety concerns, the LAPD has banned the use of Blackhawk SERPA holsters.
Now if you say a it’s a training issue like this person claims
Are Serpa Holsters Dangerous?
This week's blog theme focuses on common questions from students.SERPA holsters are a type of retention device that is deactivated with your trigger finger. The idea is to keep the deactivation of the retention mechanism as natural to the draw stroke as possible. As a law enforcement firearms...
It is still a dangerous holster. Why? Because if you had to draw while in a struggle, your finger might not be in the proper position to draw it safely. In a panic/ high stress quick draw, the finger might not be in a” safe” position to draw ( fine motor control decreases in those situations)
It’s a “dangerous “ holster for quick draws.
Like I said - deployed and used in combat zones the world over.
Most cops have minimal firearms training, as do most civilians...ranges and instructors have to cater to the lowest common denominator.
I also don't see the ND really being much of an issue with the thigh rig...the waist variant puts the holster (and the release latch) at a weird position to retrieve from and perhaps lends itself somewhat to the ND scenario. Thigh holster - I just don't see the problem if the person keeps his/her finger straight.
I think the "danger" assigned to the Sherpa design, while it contains a shade of truth, is largely overplayed and overhyped. A few high-profile cases of people ND'ing using that holster caused the entire gun community to jump on the anti-Sherpa band wagon. Statistically speaking, how many people have had ND's with the Sherpa versus any other holster type? I'd be surprised: A) if anyone has actually tracked that data and B) if there was a discernible difference in ND rates.
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fnfalguy
.308 Win
Been that sort of a day for me, so here it goes.
This is a sherpa
and this is a serpa
distinctly different things
This is a sherpa
and this is a serpa
distinctly different things
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The issue has been studied but the rate of NDs are not as recorded as other shooting incidents but look at some of the ranges that have banned it. Some are “ high speed” training places including Vickers tactical and Wilson .
The rate of NDs with the holster is enough that it has a reputation and there are lot of articles of different ND incidents with that holster. Even with experienced and well trained shooters.
According to almost all the military guys I know, most cops get more training with a handgun than then military guys. Most military guys get minimum training with a handgun if at all. A lot of cops are former military. This does not mean you didn’t get great training or that all training is equal for all cops or all military guys.
And yes, the lowest common denominator is often used in both professions when it comes to training but even high speed training places are saying no to this holster.
So today I’m transitioning to a hip carry with mags on my non dominate side (makes sense!!!) a lot of people have been rebelling and have been getting rid of the leg holsters so I decided to join the club. My one issue is that my OCP top conceals both my mags and my pistol so maybe I’ll start wearing my combat shirt instead.
If it was a Safariland (an actual quality holster) I'd say you'd be good with a mid or low ride
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Careful the serpa gang will lose their shit
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
And #stunning
I despise you old people sometimesCongratulations!
#Brave!
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Your compadre Bruce Jenner will be uber supportive.
Nothing has been studied as far as I can tell. Rather a few incidents made their rounds on the internet and everyone made judgments based on those incidents.
The people in the military who actually get issued and carry pistols do train with them often enough. Trigger discipline is also emphasized in the military in a way that isn't matched by most other civilian and LE training regimens. And most cops are not former military.
You can point to whatever website you want - my point is that the Serpa (noted on my earlier misspelling) has a large history of use in combat scenarios. The ND issue was never really an issue within the military circles. I can't speak for LE and civilian range usage.
Also: why is it that we so many here are deriding the Serpa due to perceptions of range compliance/safety issues and yet I hardly hear a peep about appendix carry holsters, which are also banned from many tactical courses and ranges?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I said a lot of cops, not most cops.
And yes, a lot of ranges ban appendix carry draws and any draw that can cause a sweep of another shooter( shoulder holsters etc) Yhat has more to do with the direction of the muzzle .
And some ranges ban drawing the gun from a holster all together.
I cited “ high speed” ranges that allow such holster draws. Some even ban “ special operators” from using that holster who are known for great trigger discipline. There is a reason, they ban that holster.
People still carry holsters that don’t cover the trigger. People still carry holsters that let things enter the trigger well. So keep carrying that holster but now you and everyone reading this are aware of the risk .
Don't bother wasting your time.. he did like 4 years in the army, he is the expert not you, you can't change his mind.. in his extensive military experience they never had any issues with shitty serpas.. because we all know how much grunts use side arms in actual service since well probably forever (outside of Hollywood).
So to recaps anything you say know or heard means nothing because he has the actual boots on the ground experience during his one contract in the military, and that trumps anything anyone else knows