Kearns urges deadline extension for pistol permit renewals

[Madmallard]

Erie County Clerk Michael Kearns is urging Albany to push back a deadline to renew tens of thousands of gun permits, as required by New York State's SAFE Act.

Under the SAFE Act, permits five years and older must be renewed by January 31, 2018. Kearns is among those concerned that thousands will not be ready to meet that deadline.

"If you do not re-certify, it would be an automatic revocation of your license," he said. "You could lose all your firearms and there could be a possible felony. That hasn't been discussed, what the due process will be, but this is a very serious matter."

Kearns says his office is providing services to gun owners including free printouts of which guns are subject to re-certification. He estimates there could be in excess of 50,000 people affected by this law.

What also concerns the new Erie County Clerk is a lack of consistent records statewide.

"We don't have a shared database. There isn't a common unified (database) like the auto bureau," he said. "There's not one database for all the clerks.'

Kearns plans to travel to Albany and, along with other members of the New York Association of County Clerks, urge state lawmakers - his former peers - to extend the deadline. He also plans to petition the governor.

"We need more time. February 1 should not be the deadline," he said. "I'm going to draft a letter to the governor, expressing that we need more time. We should not be making law-abiding citizens into criminals based on them not re-certifying."

As a State Assemblyman, Kearns voted against the SAFE Act.

 

[MothMan]

Under the SAFE Act, permits five years and older must be renewed by January 31, 2018. Kearns is among those concerned that thousands will not be ready to meet that deadline.

"If you do not re-certify, it would be an automatic revocation of your license," he said. "You could lose all your firearms and there could be a possible felony. That hasn't been discussed, what the due process will be, but this is a very serious matter."

Kearns estimates there could be in excess of 50,000 people affected by this law.

I do believe this is exactly what Monkeyface wanted. Along with a whole slew of new Republican felons that no longer can vote.

 

[Grimscale]

We should not be making law-abiding citizens into criminals based on them not re-certifying.

Why not? They make Law-abiding Citizens into criminals all the time. It is, I believe, the only way they know of to 'control' the population.

After all, how do you control the law-abiding? By making enough laws that they HAVE to break some.


He should be advocating against recertification entirely. It is yet another unConstitutional infringement on our Rights.


BTW - I haven't seen in the news where FUAC and FUMB have recertified THEIR permits. Or all of herr Tyrant's bodyguards.

 

[MothMan]

Maybe the nra will write andy a letter too.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

From what I have seen of Kearns actions re the Erie County PPO, he is, IMHO, a blowhard.

If the SOB did the right thing, he wouldn’t be further extending the time it will take to issue permits (by now making new applicants get an appointment just to turn in an application).

The entire operation needs to be exposed to the light of day, investigated as to why they do not follow the law that gives them 6 months (while they have typically been taking 12-18 months), and overhauled.

 

[thegatman]

Maybe the nra will write andy a letter too.

Fat Chance

 

[speedkills27]

From what I have seen of Kearns actions re the Erie County PPO, he is, IMHO, a blowhard.

If the SOB did the right thing, he wouldn’t be further extending the time it will take to issue permits (by now making new applicants get an appointment just to turn in an application).

The entire operation needs to be exposed to the light of day, investigated as to why they do not follow the law that gives them 6 months (while they have typically been taking 12-18 months), and overhauled.

Exposed to who? I agree with you but in a realistic sense who are you going to appeal to? The only people who care about gun rights in NY, are NY gun owners (the relatively few of us there are). No ones coming to save us, and even if SCOTUS picks up an AW case, and rules in our favor, it wont be adhered to here in NY. Similar to how Heller is blatantly ignored

 

[Cooolone]

Under the SAFE Act, permits five years and older must be renewed by January 31, 2018.

"If you do not re-certify, it would be an automatic revocation of your license," he said.

"You could lose all your firearms and there could be a possible felony. That hasn't been discussed, what the due process will be, but this is a very serious matter."

Lots of hysteria and misinformation there... Might as well mention the boogeyman will come get you too!

Appreciate the thoughts and effort, but the extension is not the answer as noted. Nothing but a complete repeal of the abomination and unconstitutional law should be accepted.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Taken from Penal Law 400

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 400.00 | FindLaw

(b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police every five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph shall be recertified by the licensee on or before January thirty-first, two thousand eighteen, and not less than one year prior to such date, the state police shall send a notice to all license holders who have not recertified by such time. Such recertification shall be in a form as approved by the superintendent of state police, which shall request the license holder's name, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, social security number, firearms possessed by such license holder, email address at the option of the license holder and an affirmation that such license holder is not prohibited from possessing firearms. The form may be in an electronic form if so designated by the superintendent of state police. Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the New York state police discover as a result of the recertification process that a licensee failed to provide a change of address, the New York state police shall not require the licensing officer to revoke such license.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Taken from Penal Law 400

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 400.00 | FindLaw

(b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police every five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph shall be recertified by the licensee on or before January thirty-first, two thousand eighteen, and not less than one year prior to such date, the state police shall send a notice to all license holders who have not recertified by such time. Such recertification shall be in a form as approved by the superintendent of state police, which shall request the license holder's name, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, social security number, firearms possessed by such license holder, email address at the option of the license holder and an affirmation that such license holder is not prohibited from possessing firearms. The form may be in an electronic form if so designated by the superintendent of state police. Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the New York state police discover as a result of the recertification process that a licensee failed to provide a change of address, the New York state police shall not require the licensing officer to revoke such license.

Wait are you saying the booogyman is real?


Lmao I'm pretty sure all these big talkers who are trying to tell people not to recertify because nothing will happen, filled out their paperwork online weeks ago or even months ago

 

[Marine Cpl]

The tough guys already bent over when they filled out their amendment forms with serial numbers in duplicate. One for the county and one for the state.

Now they are acting all rough. It's a stupid thing to fall onto your sword for when your pistols are already registered. Had they been tough like they talk, they wouldn't have even gone through amendment processes previously. They would have gotten their pistols from the back of a trunk.

 

[Grimscale]

If I may pose a question:

Why is Race important on this recertification?

I thought race didn't matter anymore to the Leftists?

 

[Edwardteach72]

If I may pose a question:

Why is Race important on this recertification?

I thought race didn't matter anymore to the Leftists?

Lmao kind of a bull shit argument. Pretty sure you filled out what race you are on your dl and didn't bring up "damn liberals"

 

[ProgSpear]

"the state police shall send a notice to all license holders who have not recertified by such time."

"Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license."

I wonder which meaning of "shall" shall apply? My guess the "shall not be infringed" interpretation will apply to the first clause, and the "too bad we have more power than you" interpretation will apply to the second one.

Shall Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.

 

[Fezzik]

[QUOTE="Madmallard, post: 287094, member: Kearns says his office is providing services to gun owners including free printouts of which guns are subject to re-certification. [/QUOTE]
I wish these reporters would get something right for once. He makes it sound as though only SOME specific guns need to be recertified.

 

[71velle]

I just got the recert letter today

 

[Greywolf224]

Just got my letter yesterday

 

[Grimscale]

Lmao kind of a bull shit argument. Pretty sure you filled out what race you are on your dl and didn't bring up "damn liberals"

Um, you realize that was over 3 decades ago, back when race didn't matter, right?

And, actually, my comments were sarcasm. The Left keeps talking about how race shouldn't matter, then they keep adding it to official forms.

 

[Celt]

Fat Chance

I think that was sarcasm in his post.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Um, you realize that was over 3 decades ago, back when race didn't matter, right?

And, actually, my comments were sarcasm. The Left keeps talking about how race shouldn't matter, then they keep adding it to official forms.

Wait race didn't matter 3 decades ago? You mean 1988? 24 years after the civil rights movement people magically where cool with non whites eating at their restarants or sharing their water fountains. But jump ahead 30 more years racism just magically makes a comeback?

 

[Grimscale]

see

Wait race didn't matter 3 decades ago? You mean 1988? 24 years after the civil rights movement people magically where cool with non whites eating at their restarants or sharing their water fountains. But jump ahead 30 more years racism just magically makes a comeback?

Actually, yeah. That is what it appears to be.
I don't recall there being such a severe divide in Race until the last President took office.

 

[Tinman]

I never did get a letter nor did my wife. We did recertify late December on line. Went smooth. Had confirmation within 5 min. Took to long and went through too much to get my handguns taken or my permit revoked. If that means that I am a puss, then so be it.

 

[nortatoga]

I'm just waiting for an amendment to come and will be doing the re-cert online!

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

From what I have seen of Kearns actions re the Erie County PPO, he is, IMHO, a blowhard.

If the SOB did the right thing, he wouldn’t be further extending the time it will take to issue permits (by now making new applicants get an appointment just to turn in an application).

The entire operation needs to be exposed to the light of day, investigated as to why they do not follow the law that gives them 6 months (while they have typically been taking 12-18 months), and overhauled.

It's absolutely an attempt to limit our rights by deliberately dragging this process out to the time It takes in Erie county.

There is no possible excuse it takes on average 12-18 months. None. Period.

Would love to see the ACLU or civil rights group get involved with that....oh wait.... :/

 

[timboy]

Well I started filling out my re-cert paperwork,taking a break to enjoy some maple brown sugar oatmeal and a cup of hot chocolate,figured I would mail it in so atleast some asshole a the Storm Troopers office will have to manually type all of my info in,ok back to being a good sheep now........

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Fat Chance

I heard the NRA stamped their feet and held their breath.....extreme actions for that group

 

[Mr. terzmo]

It's absolutely an attempt to limit our rights by deliberately dragging this process out to the time It takes in Erie county.

There is no possible excuse it takes on average 12-18 months. None. Period.

Would love to see the ACLU or civil rights group get involved with that....oh wait.... :/

Why someone else...I'd love to see the law abiding citizens of NY stand up for a change rather than watching/waiting

 

[Koz]

I shall repeat...FUac

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Exposed to who? I agree with you but in a realistic sense who are you going to appeal to? The only people who care about gun rights in NY, are NY gun owners (the relatively few of us there are). No ones coming to save us, and even if SCOTUS picks up an AW case, and rules in our favor, it wont be adhered to here in NY. Similar to how Heller is blatantly ignored

The problem I see is that even if someone sues individually right now, they will be ignored. However, if the inner workings were fully exposed to the public and published in the press while calling for a complete overhaul, AND they were sued at the same time over it, that there would at least be more of a chance to fix things.

But honestly, I think that short of an agressive SCOTUS ruling that forced changes, that the same shit will be going on when I die someday.