Lead Free comes (coming) to New York

[FP1201]

This has been on-going for several years, and I believe they did pass Legislation prohibiting Lead Ammunition on NYC Watershed Lands, and before dropping out of the Hunter Safety Education program, we were being questioned and offered information and incentives for using and promoting Lead Free Ammunition (and components)
IMHO in the next Legislative Session, we WILL see Legislation Passed (by Democrats) prohibiting the use of Lead ammunition for Hunting and Shooting, which is going to make difficult to find ammunition damn near impossible, and reloading your own using solid copper components difficult as well (there aren't many manufactures of non-toxic Rifle Bullets) I could be wrong, but the signs are there, and if you haven't got it or roll your own, I'd suggest to start looking now because it's coming.

 

[thughes]

Meh, just another product I can bootleg to my friends behind enemy lines.

 

[Saltwater60]

Fully agree and been saying this for a while now. It’s all about pricing us out. I don’t care, I have what I have and I’ll use what I have.

 

[Acer-m14]

they should teach the water fowl to not eat lead ..

and duck when shot at ..

i just use steel core ammo ..

hunting fowl with it .. all i get back is the wings

 

[fresch]

Ducks swim in the settling ponds of the Syracuse shit plant.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Without seeing the legislation I can only assume this would be a "ban" on the use of lead based shot and bullets for hunting. This is already a regulation for migratory bird hunting. I remember spending close to $40 per box of 3 1/2s #2 steel shot before the BGC nonsense. If it becomes a requirement for rifle bullets I would imagine a huge cost increase for hunters. The actual sale of lead bullets seems unlikely, but then again this is the Communist state of NY.

 

[Zerex]

People load, cast and use tons of lead each year from factory ammo...................another law ordered by Xi to disarm us, and to make his invasion and murder of all citizens easier.......
It will never really go into effect..............

 

[fresch]

Lead, that stuff dug out of the ground.
How many years has it been used for firearms, from day one; how many animals die from ingesting shot, bullets? Thinking not that many.
Wind mills probably take out more wildlife, due to habitat loss and the chopping effect of the blades on their bodies.

 

[Robin]

Lead has been used for ammo long before the invention of firearms. Again, it has to do with control, nothing more, nothing less.
Robin

Whistling Sling Bullets Were Roman Troops' Secret Weapon

Soldiers 1,500 years ago used drilled projectiles to intimidate enemies with a shrill, buzzing sound

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Willyone]

Ducks swim in the settling ponds of the Syracuse shit plant.

And Eagles that have migrated south for the winter cruise around the shit plant and shit in that same shitty water when on the hunt for mercury laden fish. Save the planet, get an EV....

 

[FP1201]

Ducks swim in the settling ponds of the Syracuse shit plant.

Waterfowl literally shit where they eat and eat shit.
The Studies cited where done by Cornell Students, who in all likely hood used studies from decades back based on research of who the fuck knows who that said the Ducks ate lead shot (which is plausible) and the Eagles ate the Ducks which in turn gave them lead poisoning, same bullshit they used to justify the banning of DDT (which killed the shit out of mosquitoes, stopping malaria in its tracks) The pretense being used to demand Lead Free Ammunition paraphrases as: copper jacketed lead bullets fragment sending lead shards through tissue and organs which are left behind to be consumed by scavengers (Eagles) which poisons them. Eagles are NOT endangered, don't kill much on their own, but will scavenge the hell out of anything they find. I suspect the information they're using as justification is old opinion used as white papers to support predetermined findings.
Honestly I do not believe there is anywhere near the amount of lead returned to the Earth via dispatched animals to amount to a drop of water in the ocean, and lead while toxic is not a horrible and detrimental as the Tree Huggers would have you believe...I wonder why Doctors will leave bullets in people sometimes opposed to risking further injury or damage by removing them?

 

[Willyone]

Waterfowl literally shit where they eat and eat shit.
The Studies cited where done by Cornell Students, who in all likely hood used studies from decades back based on research of who the fuck knows who that said the Ducks ate lead shot (which is plausible) and the Eagles ate the Ducks which in turn gave them lead poisoning, same bullshit they used to justify the banning of DDT (which killed the shit out of mosquitoes, stopping malaria in its tracks) The pretense being used to demand Lead Free Ammunition paraphrases as: copper jacketed lead bullets fragment sending lead shards through tissue and organs which are left behind to be consumed by scavengers (Eagles) which poisons them. Eagles are NOT endangered, don't kill much on their own, but will scavenge the hell out of anything they find. I suspect the information they're using as justification is old opinion used as white papers to support predetermined findings.
Honestly I do not believe there is anywhere near the amount of lead returned to the Earth via dispatched animals to amount to a drop of water in the ocean, and lead while toxic is not a horrible and detrimental as the Tree Huggers would have you believe...I wonder why Doctors will leave bullets in people sometimes opposed to risking further injury or damage by removing them?

I built a house in Pompey (NY) in 1986. Mid '90s I shot a woodchuck that was off the side of my driveway, which was about 950 feet long. Shot from the kitchen window with my old but trusty scoped .22, about 350 feet or so, not bad... I left chuck there and the next day I looked out the window and saw 3 Turkey Vultures dining on chuck, and one had a white head!! Got out the binoculars and bigger than shit, there was a Bald Eagle at the picnic with the Vultures. I lived in the house for 24 years, and that was the one and only time I saw an Eagle out there. I don't know if any of them consumed the bullet, didn't give it any thought at the time. But I hope it was one of the vultures lol.

 

[FP1201]

I built a house in Pompey (NY) in 1986. Mid '90s I shot a woodchuck that was off the side of my driveway, which was about 950 feet long. Shot from the kitchen window with my old but trusty scoped .22, about 350 feet or so, not bad... I left chuck there and the next day I looked out the window and saw 3 Turkey Vultures dining on chuck, and one had a white head!! Got out the binoculars and bigger than shit, there was a Bald Eagle at the picnic with the Vultures. I lived in the house for 24 years, and that was the one and only time I saw an Eagle out there. I don't know if any of them consumed the bullet, didn't give it any thought at the time. But I hope it was one of the vultures lol.

Eagles (Owls, Raptors) have an "Acid" digestive system, where other Avians such as Turkeys and Chickens have a "gizzard" to grind what they eat...

Bald Eagle Diet and Digestive System - Loudoun Wildlife Conservancy

Bald Eagles primarily eat fish, and you will often find their nests near a good water-based food source. They are

loudounwildlife.org

What happens to Lead when mixed with Hydrochloric (stomach) Acid? VERY LITTLE! They're going to shit it out before it destroys their nervous system. Think of the Centuries that Water has been sent through Lead Pipes...granted it's not ideal, not healthy, but damage takes a long time. Blaming Lead for stupid Children was a good excuse until it was removed and kids were still stupid.

Lead: Chemical reactions | Pilgaard Elements

Chemical reactions for lead

pilgaardelements.com

 

[Saltwater60]

Ducks swim in the settling ponds of the Syracuse shit plant.

But do you poop lead bb’s. Funny story I swallowed a huge lead sinker when I was a kid. I popped it out and heard it hit the toilet. Mom grabbed it with a bag.

 

[Acer-m14]

will this work for the buffer when loading up some buckshot rounds ??

 

[Xae289]

It hangs over our heads every year and will eventually pass. You still can use lead bullets for large and small game hunting on NY public land including NYC watershed as far as I've been able to find. Despite the price, I was proactive about working with lead-free bullets.

The prices are atrocious, but all-copper bullets can work very well. Barnes seems to make the best stuff out there. I used their Tac-TX 110gr bullet in a .300 Blackout to take a big doe last year. Entrance wound was a pin-prick, exit looked like a broadhead, and the deer went no further than any I've shot with a .270 Winchester and a traditional lead bullet. The POI tracks very closely with the Hornady VMax too, so I don't have to shoot much Barnes other than for load development and a few rounds to hunt with. Their Vor-TX line looks excellent for handgun bullets. I want to play with those in .44 Magnum next year. The trick is to find traditional ammo that matches POI with an all-copper load so you have traditional practice ammo and shoot the all-copper stuff as sparingly as possible.

In the meantime, the bill banning lead ammo on public land has been proposed every year for the past few. Find that bill every year and write your representative expressing your opposition. Let them know that it will make hunting extremely expensive and will result in harm to wildlife as uninformed hunters will cheap-out, buy whatever junk ammo and end up wounding lots of wildlife without recovering it. Remind them that the amount of lead big-game hunters add to the environment is miniscule compared to the amount that is naturally present throughout.