Bigfoot
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Lethal force authorised for the Military inside the US
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ManualF150
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Nobody knows the laws. Too busy being entertained. So many people are afraid of so called "authorities" in costumes to stand up
GOYABEAN
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So perfectly fine to open fire on civilians but our military can't shoot down a FUCKING drone doing surveillance over our Military bases / Nuclear site's / Air bases 
got it! #LINETHEMUP
got it! #LINETHEMUP
spat
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If there's a law, but nobody follows it, and nobody is punished for not following it, is it even a law ?
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I did. Martial Law is NOT in the Constitution...
I know scissors cuts paper and paper covers rock but......
.......what does paper do to a jack-booted thug with a gun in your face?
Oh boy...
Another Big Bad Wolf story that never comes, never materializes... It's fucking hysterical!
These misfits that sit at some computer desk dreaming up this bullshit, getting kicks out of it once it gets gobbled up and regurgitated online!
It didn't happen last election, it won't this time either... Primarily because nobody has the balls! The first shots that ring out would result in another Ranch Standoff... And despite what Sleepy Joe thinks, the number of guns and gun owners far outnumber the cumulative number of Federal agents and military, and there's many of them that would never, ever violate the Constitution supporting some dimwit progressives...
Ok, enough from me, end rant! Lol
Another Big Bad Wolf story that never comes, never materializes... It's fucking hysterical!
These misfits that sit at some computer desk dreaming up this bullshit, getting kicks out of it once it gets gobbled up and regurgitated online!
It didn't happen last election, it won't this time either... Primarily because nobody has the balls! The first shots that ring out would result in another Ranch Standoff... And despite what Sleepy Joe thinks, the number of guns and gun owners far outnumber the cumulative number of Federal agents and military, and there's many of them that would never, ever violate the Constitution supporting some dimwit progressives...
Ok, enough from me, end rant! Lol
Holy Jeez!!.....I wish Brett Baier was aware of this shit (and had a hair on his ass) when Kamala brought up Trump threatening military action upon civilians........this should have been shoved in her face!!
Explain it cunt............it happened under your tenure!
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Explain it cunt............it happened under your tenure!
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Bozo
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Page 13 - Section 3.3 a (2)(c) with regard to permissible assistance that would require approval directly from SecDef.
Edit - having now read @ManualF150 's link to the previous rev, this appears to be a wholesale rewrite. Previous rev does not mention lethal force at all.
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I saw this. I still do not see where the Military is allowed to fire upon civilians.....
I see that all agents and personal of the DIC can be used though.
Bigfoot
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Bigfoot
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Bigfoot
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What's the topic of this thread? I lost track.
Things seem to usually veer off topic around pages 2 or 3.
IIRC it is - Lethal force authorized for the military inside the US.
We're living in the Clown World era...
Be aware of that and never underestimate what the Marxist Democrats will do to maintain power.
I'm just saying.
Things seem to usually veer off topic around pages 2 or 3.
IIRC it is - Lethal force authorized for the military inside the US.
We're living in the Clown World era...
Be aware of that and never underestimate what the Marxist Democrats will do to maintain power.
I'm just saying.
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Exactly right. You shoot them in the face first. They have become tyrants and are baddies now.
Celt
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FrankenCub
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"is reasonably foreseeable that providing the requested assistance may involve the use of force that is likely to result in lethal force, including death or serious bodily injury."
I read "use of force likely to result in lethal force" as firearms.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it?
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FrankenCub
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That part C, under Secretary of Defense Approval, kinda reads to me use of deadly force is approved.
TL;DR Some may be reading too broadly into this but maybe it doesn't matter if it applies to the whole military. The point of the revision seems to be to authorize and convince those Defense Intelligence Components (which could be very broad in scope) that it may be permissible and within the scope of their operations to fire upon US civilians.
I don't think you'll see an explicit OK for the military, that would bump right up against Posse Comitatus.
Nor do I think it would need be extended universally to the whole military.
But consider a scenario in which the bulk of our military is overseas or otherwise engaged away from the homeland (there's plenty going on to support that possibility). Some event (maybe black swan, maybe activated terror cells) occurs here at home, first there will be an initial local LE response, that then ultimately becomes escalated involving feds and maybe then Martial Law is declared, maybe it's only regionally at first. What segment of the military would be left here at home to respond to such an event and enforce whatever comes after it? My guess it could include elements of federal agencies and fringe agencies of DoD, including DIC (which could be very broad in its definition).
Sure local LE will play a role and although the premise is to "assist", you know those lines are going to get blurred in short order and under ML locals take a back seat anyway.
"Assistance in responding with assets with potential for lethality" means they will be armed (likely to the teeth). So this paves the way to arm any Component under Defense Intelligence, presumably as they see fit. DoDD 5210.56 provides for arming of DoD personnel, including civilian employees and contractors. Remember 82K IRS agents, many of which are armed? Could they even be commandeered? I don't know, I'm just spit-balling.
"Provision or use of DoD unmanned systems in the United States except as delegated by the Secretary of Defense pursuant to the October 31, 2023 Secretary of Defense Memorandum." Obviously pertains to use of drones. I haven't yet located the SecDef memorandum cited.
The way i'm reading this and lacking the time and ability to cross-check every applicable directive cited, it seems too open ended and broad in scope. Maybe I'm wrong.
But I beleive the end result is to give the OK for some elements within Gov to use lethal force against citizens. How that may be or could be defined is concerning. Maybe this is intended as a sort of end-run around PC.
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spat
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They merely need to declare something an "insurrection" and then posse comatitus becomes moot.
It specifically exempts that.
And we have all seen just how easily they can declare an "insurrection".
Nothing new. Eisenhower sent units of the 101st Airborne to help force desegregation, and at least 2 US civilians were killed by them. During the race riots in the 1960's we had US Army units patrolling cities and firing on and killing rioters.
SO, (and if I can read it this way, someone bent on utilizing it could easily twist it post facto) IF there were another January 6th "insurrection" (as claimed by Dem. leadership) the National Guard could be activated with live ammunition issued...Kent State anyone?
Yeah, they are changing this to get ahead of any lawsuits resulting from their people shooting unarmed protesters during the upcoming protests they expect to happen when they are caught cheating.
My thoughts exactly, and since Secretary of Defense is a political appointment, one can see where a quick call from the Speaker of the House or POTUS could abuse the situation, conversely these same forces and authorizations could be used to quell true Riots (arson/looting/murder/etc.) even then, there IS a line that must be respected by Government and it's strong arm.
I'll agree it is interesting...
I'll say that it in itself is an agitator! Designed to stoke anti-government resentment before there is any issue at all.
I'll say it is designed the "flush" some of those potential agitators out by drumming up chatter that can be monitored before hand and then targets be known or established.
I'll say if in fact, that the current administration were to activate or use military without provocation, there will be a problem and immediate retribution!... Can anyone say BUNDY (Ranchers)...?
It could be a potential powderkeg with dimwit progressives little understanding the undercurrent social forces at play and possible momentum of societal reaction they would have little control over once they light the fuse. Think about those guards who let demonstrators walk into the building...
All in all, for "me", my opinion is it is worry about the Big Bad Wolf that never comes! But should it... Can be dealt with appropriately! So what's the worry?
Anyways...
I'll say that it in itself is an agitator! Designed to stoke anti-government resentment before there is any issue at all.
I'll say it is designed the "flush" some of those potential agitators out by drumming up chatter that can be monitored before hand and then targets be known or established.
I'll say if in fact, that the current administration were to activate or use military without provocation, there will be a problem and immediate retribution!... Can anyone say BUNDY (Ranchers)...?
It could be a potential powderkeg with dimwit progressives little understanding the undercurrent social forces at play and possible momentum of societal reaction they would have little control over once they light the fuse. Think about those guards who let demonstrators walk into the building...
All in all, for "me", my opinion is it is worry about the Big Bad Wolf that never comes! But should it... Can be dealt with appropriately! So what's the worry?
Anyways...
stokes
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Ok, get out the tin foil hats for this one. We are all assuming the Dems are behind all this bullshit. But in reality the dems arent running the gov. Look at Brandon for the last 4 yrs, he wasnt running shit. And if they cheat Kameltoe into the WH she wont be any more in charge than he was. There is a deep state, and I think they aint dems or repubs they just happen to have more control over the dems at the moment. Perhaps they realize the lead and amount of people behind Trump are too big to cheat. So they have to figure a way to deal with the repubs "taking over" and becoming the lead actors in the theatrics that is Wash DC. Maybe they are anticipating a Trump win and the libs being the next insurrectionists. They can call for marshal law and wont get a lot of push back from the right at first, which at the moment seems to be the majority in this nation. Just a thought.
spat
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The posse comatitus statute itself specifically exempts troops that are being used to put down an insurrection.
All a POTUS needs to do is declare an insurrection, then he can ignore posse comatitus.