Liberty Safe providing combinations to the Feds!

[tirwin1]

This is an unpleasant surprise and newsworthy for anyone that owns a Liberty safe.

Important Info - If You Own a Liberty Safe, Get Rid of It - Company Provides Govt Access Codes to All Their Products - The Last Refuge

This is alarming, quite alarming. [H/T Collin Rugg] In a recent J6 case it has been revealed that Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI background access codes to the safe and vault owned by the investigative target of the FBI, Nathan Hughes. As the story is told, the FBI (federal govt) contacted the...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[SonOfSun]

Liberty safes - we liberate your security pass codes to the fbi.

 

[thughes]

They just Bud Light'ed themselves.

 

[lrick]

It's 1984, what would anyone expect from a company with "Liberty" in the name?

 

[Doc8404]

Was just going to post this.
Unbelievable.

 

[lrick]

Screw getting rid of it. That's money already spent, you're not hurting the company. Just change out the electronic lock for a dial combination lock.

 

[Steal2B]

This is an unpleasant surprise and newsworthy for anyone that owns a Liberty safe.

Important Info - If You Own a Liberty Safe, Get Rid of It - Company Provides Govt Access Codes to All Their Products - The Last Refuge

This is alarming, quite alarming. [H/T Collin Rugg] In a recent J6 case it has been revealed that Liberty Safe Co. gave the FBI background access codes to the safe and vault owned by the investigative target of the FBI, Nathan Hughes. As the story is told, the FBI (federal govt) contacted the...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[kev74]

 

[C3D]

It's laughable if you are upset at this. LE has tools to get through any electronic safe lock like the ESL10 in seconds. They really don't need Liberty's help.

 

[Cooolone]

Check, no digital anything! Got it!

 

[subsonic]

It's laughable if you are upset at this. LE has tools to get through any electronic safe lock like the ESL10 in seconds. They really don't need Liberty's help.

This, you don’t need anything exotic, a cheap grinder will chew right through these and any other large gun safe.

 

[Acer-m14]

"If you have a Digital/Electronic or Mechanical/Dial style lock, They keep these factory passwords saved in their system attached to your safe serial number. If you change the electronic/digital lock, they would have no clue what the master is based off of the fact that the lock serial is now different than what they have in system. But the lock maker will have that passcode. Remove all serial number stickers that you can find from both parts of the lock and you have eliminated the ability to directly get a BACK DOOR code to your lock without playing a wild guessing game. IF YOU DONT CHANGE YOUR FACTORY LOCK YOU SHOULD PROBABLY GET RID OF YOUR SAFE SERIAL NUMBER STICKERS THAT ARE LOCATED USUALLY ON THE TOP BACK RIGHT CORNER OF YOUR LIBERTY SAFE "

Replace the lock with a aftermarket ..

 

[Acer-m14]

was the safe listed in the warrant ??

that is the bigger question ..

probably not ....

 

[Deplorable Me]

was the safe listed in the warrant ??

that is the bigger question ..

probably not ....

Just write a sloppy, generic warrant. Safe covered.

 

[Paxal]

It's laughable if you are upset at this. LE has tools to get through any electronic safe lock like the ESL10 in seconds. They really don't need Liberty's help.

I dont think that is really the point.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Well it's been nice knowing you liberty. You just committed corporate suicide.

 

[fresch]

Put your dildos in your safe and your guns in that other location that looks like normal things in your house. Fake walls, double purpose desk, etc..

 

[thisIslandEarth]

It's laughable if you are upset at this. LE has tools to get through any electronic safe lock like the ESL10 in seconds. They really don't need Liberty's help.

It's not that they can open it anyways - it's that they are giving away your confidential information. Right??

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

How did they Know he had a Liberty safe? Were they already in the house?

 

[Saltwater60]

Check, no digital anything! Got it!

With the serial number they will give them the access code digital or not. All safe companies keep a record of combinations and can be accessed via locksmith and serial number.

 

[Saltwater60]

Newsflash with a warrant all companies will do this including your phone or computer company. If they did it without a warrant it would be alarming. Do I like it or agree with it? No.
All companies keep a record of the combinations and can be accessed via serial number that I have looked at. Look at their website or your owners manual. many require a call from a locksmith but they all keep it because people lose combinations.
Yes, I’d have liked Liberty to say break into it or call a locksmith but I’m not surprised one bit.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It's laughable if you are upset at this. LE has tools to get through any electronic safe lock like the ESL10 in seconds. They really don't need Liberty's help.

Then make them do it. Don't cooperate.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

With the serial number they will give them the access code digital or not. All safe companies keep a record of combinations and can be accessed via locksmith and serial number.

So what I'm hearing is file down your serial numbers....

 

[FrankenCub]

No warrant, straight up handed FBI the requested info. That's the fail that bothers me. I cant stand Apple but at least Apple fought their requests.

 

[kev74]

Liberty Safe Changes its Policies After Firestorm Resulting From Their Compliance With FBI J6 Investigation - The Truth About Guns

On August 30, the FBI executed a search warrant on the home of an Arkansas man, Nathan Hughes. Hughes was being investigated (and has since been charged) in connection with the federal government’s wide-ranging prosecutions of those involved with the riot at the Capitol on January 6, 2021. When...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

 

[Cooolone]

In the issue at hand, noted a warrant was supposed to the company. I agree, how did they know to assume the safe was a Liberty unless information was supplies by others. More likely than not, this was the culmination of efforts in an investigation, not some fly by night operation.

Warrant or not, for the "Safe" company, it's going to be impossible to escape the backlash... Why? Well, of and when I'm buying a Safe, it's for two reasons! One is security, the obvious! The second is PRIVACY! Keeping things from prying eyes, not just sticky hands. With that expectation of privacy, you may "seize and secure" my safe should there be a "probable cause" to do so, but opening it is another thing entirely! Where has the Courts dissolved to an after thought? And why are Warrants rarely if ever denied? The convoluted comfort and ease by which the courts grant wanton powers to law enforcement is sometimes befuddling and confusing. That Safe Deposit Box case is also maddening if you read about it, and is still ongoing!

Bottom line is in the Land of the Free, you are no longer considered so, but a ward of the State! Is crazy!

So... Build a false wall, hidden room, etc., and speak of it to NO ONE!!! Open a Safe Deposit Box under an assumed identity, lol... Isn't hard to do, just don't shit where you eat! Keep em' guessing! Or at least make it hard for them if there's something you don't want them to have. I got nothing, but if I did, I would certainly think about how to keep it safe and secure, from ALL parties not being ME! Lol

 

[thisIslandEarth]

Newsflash with a warrant all companies will do this including your phone or computer company. If they did it without a warrant it would be alarming. Do I like it or agree with it? No.
All companies keep a record of the combinations and can be accessed via serial number that I have looked at. Look at their website or your owners manual. many require a call from a locksmith but they all keep it because people lose combinations.
Yes, I’d have liked Liberty to say break into it or call a locksmith but I’m not surprised one bit.

Liberty gave them the combination without a warrant.

( From AR15.com )
At the end of their three page statement, Liberty Safe slyly admitted that they legally did not have to give the FBI access to Hughes’ safe but did so anyway. “We have also revised our policies around cooperation with law enforcement.” “Going forward we will require a subpoena that legally compels Liberty Safe to supply access codes but can only do so if these codes still exist in our system.”

Bottom line - I think we ALL know, there is no information that is really secure. If the gov wants your data they will get your data.

 

[subsonic]

It's not that they can open it anyways - it's that they are giving away your confidential information. Right??

The only "confidential information" is codes to get into a safe they already possess and can already get into.

Then make them do it. Don't cooperate.

This outrage is complete misdirection. It's the equivalent of going limp when you're under arrest and forcing the cops to drag you away rather than walking on your own volition. Yeah you're not "resisting arrest" but you're gallantly "refusing to cooperate" with the tyrannical government. Okay, great. They've already got you in their custody and control, all you are doing is throwing a tantrum like a toddler.

The feds LOVE it that all this internet outrage is being directed at an Utah gun safe manufacturer. The LOVE it because all that useless outrage is not going toward them and the real issue which is the J6 political persecution, the deep state, the rigging of elections, state-funded antifa thug army, open border invasion etc.

Worst of all, Liberty Safes makes their safes in America, and vultures like SecureIt are swooping in to push their Made-In-Communist-China safes, and these social media idiots are EATING IT UP. We may well end up with the loss of a major option for made-in-USA gun safes because of this. Even though Liberty Safe's second response (delete codes on request and only provide codes with subpoenas) was perfect.

 

[thisIslandEarth]

The only "confidential information" is codes to get into a safe they already possess and can already get into.

This outrage is complete misdirection. It's the equivalent of going limp when you're under arrest and forcing the cops to drag you away rather than walking on your own volition. Yeah you're not "resisting arrest" but you're gallantly "refusing to cooperate" with the tyrannical government. Okay, great. They've already got you in their custody and control, all you are doing is throwing a tantrum like a toddler.

The feds LOVE it that all this internet outrage is being directed at an Utah gun safe manufacturer. The LOVE it because all that useless outrage is not going toward them and the real issue which is the J6 political persecution, the deep state, the rigging of elections, state-funded antifa thug army, open border invasion etc.

Worst of all, Liberty Safes makes their safes in America, and vultures like SecureIt are swooping in to push their Made-In-Communist-China safes, and these social media idiots are EATING IT UP. We may well end up with the loss of a major option for made-in-USA gun safes because of this. Even though Liberty Safe's second response (delete codes on request and only provide codes with subpoenas) was perfect.

You make excellent points.

 

[Cooolone]

Liberty Safes aren't all that... I wouldn't have bought one even if I were in the Market. And for the matter, I'm curious and will have to look into this, can the tumblers (combo) be changed after purchase by you or even a locksmith? Because that's the first thing I would do... Will have to inquire!

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