Glenn B
.308 Win
...but sometimes its early end could have been prevented. Being armed and able to protect yourself and being situationally aware might have helped in this case:
Life Is Precious - Then It Is Gone...
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stokes
.338 Win Mag
Unless you spend your whole life looking over your shoulder and drawing on everybody that approaches,being armed wouldnt have helped.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I have always maintained that is one really desired to kill you there is little you can do about it. Sure if you are a Hollywood type and have a vast security team and $ to back it up things improve for you . .. Just look at the baseball shooting of the congressman . . A person does expose themselves all the time in just going about their everyday life . Just having someone track your routine for a while ... Case in point . You go to church at 10 AM every Sunday.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Suburb of Chicago or inner city ?
knuts
.45 acp
Mexico, the guy that got killed was running for some sort of political office
Glenn B
.308 Win
People can spend their lives with their heads up your asses or can spend it keeping an eye open as often as they can to be aware of what is going on around them. Sure, you cannot and will not always be completely aware but trying to be alert is better than being caught totally unaware at just about every moment of your existence. As for drawing on everyone who approaches, that is one heck of an extreme view to put up to counter my view that it is better to be at least somewhat aware than to be oblivious. I have not draw a weapon on every person who has ever approached me but often have crossed the street when I have seen what I thought was potential trouble approaching or sought cover because of trouble that was imminent and I do try to stay aware of my surroundings. I draw my weapon only when I think it appropriate to protect myself or loved ones from an imminent threat to life or of serious bodily harm.
had this guy or the person with him been more aware, it is possible he could have evaded his assassin. Had he been armed, it is possible he could have fought off his assassin and ended the threat. Could be still have been killed even if usually aware or if armed - sure he could have been but he stood almost zero chance of himself being able to survive by way of his own actions by way of being so tied up in whatever he was doing as to be oblivious. We all sometimes do likewise in our lives but my point is we should at least try to make it a habit to remain somewhat alert of out surroundings so as to have a fighting or even a fleeing chance.
If history has taught us anything, is that anyone can be murdered/assasinated! Anyone!
Not a thing he could have done to prevent it, even with a team of security, the method would have changed, ie, car bomb, etc., and yes, even though some of us do walk around scoping things out, doesn't mean this can't happen even when you're vigilant.
Not a thing he could have done to prevent it, even with a team of security, the method would have changed, ie, car bomb, etc., and yes, even though some of us do walk around scoping things out, doesn't mean this can't happen even when you're vigilant.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Live life to the fullest. Plan for tomorrow, but live for today because tomorrow may never come.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
So this guy had his head up his ass?Or is it you think I have my head up my ass?You never have a conversation with someone on the street,without twitching and turning like a paranoid schizo?I have carried,both on and off duty for over 30 yrs,having a gun does not make you invulnerable.How do you know the guy that got shot wasnt carrying?Wouldnt make a difference in this situation,unless he drew his weapon as soon as the guy started walking towards him.
Karpteach
6.5 Creedmoor
Situational awareness! Awareness has to be drilled into ones head. Be weary of everything!! This is what I’m trying to teach my 12 yo daughter. It’s hard for her to grasp the concept of trust NO One!
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Having grown up,in Bklyn and living and working in NYC all my life,situational awareness is second nature.There is absolutely nothing,short of being paranoid and looking over his shoulder at all times,that guy could have done in that situation.I'm not saying awareness is useless,it kept me alive all those years,but life is such that sometimes you lose and there are indeed times that it cant be avoided.
Toecutter
.308 Win
When in was young in my teens I was into all sorts of martial arts. Me and a friend had a thing that we would randomly punch each other is the head or balls for that matter when we weren't paying attention thinking that would build up our awareness.we learned that unless you just sit in a corner by yourself its impossible to see everything coming. Other then that I got used to getting hit in the head .
E the massive
.308 Win
Train to react. Committ 100% to your reaction.
Situational awareness is an acquired skill. One needs to practice everyday in order to become proficient.
Some people go through life never understanding this skill.
Some people go through life never understanding this skill.
Glenn B
.308 Win
Well, the man who was shot was not paying attention to his surroundings except to those to whom he was speaking. He was zoned in on them and zoned out on everything else by the look of it. He was running for political office in Mexico. Mexico is now one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Politicians and anyone opposing drug gangs are at very high risk of being targetted. Yes, I guess I would say he essentially had his head up his ass or in the sand or was almost totally oblovious at that time and it faciltated him being gunned down.
As for me, I do not twitch nor am I paranoid but I sure as hell try to stay aware. Why would anyone have to twitch or be connsidered paranoid to be aware of their surroundings. You bring it to some sort of far fetched extreme by saying such, an extreme that is not necessary to try to remain alert.
As for staying aware, you cannot do it every moment but you certainly can easily be much more alert than was the man who was shot, especially when in a high risk situation like was his. Look up and arpund now and then. Don't be so involved in something as to put your life at risk especially in a high risk situation.
As far as the actual shooting goes, if all you can think is that the victim had no time to draw a weapon, you would do well to get some training. Had he seen the assassin coming on as fast as he was moving with obvious keyed in determination, he could have tried to do one or more things. Side step, and keep moving toward cover. Even if you are wrong, so what. If you realize the guy has a weapon, other things ypu could do would be to run, seek cover, charge the attacker, grab for the gun, throw something at him, move, run, sidestep, attack the attacker, sidestep, move, run, atack... Am I repeating myself - good it may confuse the bad guy as he now tries to react to you - he is no longer in control of the situation. Get it, you make the attacker react to you by taking action. Do anything to throw off your attacker's advantage. It may not work but gives you a fighting chance and thus may save your life. The very obvious advantage of remaining alert is that it might provide you the split second in which to act to save your life as described above.
Certainly is easy to look at a video and MMQB it saying what this person or that person should have done. It's just not that easy real time, real life!
You cannot be 360* aware at "all" times, period. People who are in these environments which demand that, wind up with PTSD, yes, the closest that can relate is a soldier in an active theatre of military engagement. It has been proven these soldiers have heightened hearing, sight and other sensory perception, and they still die! So although I am a street rat, and think I have retained my street smarts, it's been a long time since I've been there and can guarantee you, my edges are more dull than I'd care to admit even though I keep awake at all times.
I bet the house though, that if people wanted to voluntarily enter an "asssination" game, and put up some bucks, winners take all, that the assassins, would take all the money, unless of course they were bumbling idiots!
Anyone wanna play?
lmao!
You cannot be 360* aware at "all" times, period. People who are in these environments which demand that, wind up with PTSD, yes, the closest that can relate is a soldier in an active theatre of military engagement. It has been proven these soldiers have heightened hearing, sight and other sensory perception, and they still die! So although I am a street rat, and think I have retained my street smarts, it's been a long time since I've been there and can guarantee you, my edges are more dull than I'd care to admit even though I keep awake at all times.
I bet the house though, that if people wanted to voluntarily enter an "asssination" game, and put up some bucks, winners take all, that the assassins, would take all the money, unless of course they were bumbling idiots!
Anyone wanna play?
lmao!
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Anyone of you could be killed by someone walking on a sidewalk. Situational awareness is good and all but it won’t prevent some things.