MuttCat
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Warning shot to the kidney....
Thats a convincing argumentWarning shot to the kidney....
Did the looters have matches in their pockets?I think you’re right. Shouldn’t low lives coming to clean out your business and destroy your livelihood should be classified as rape?. In the real world maybe you can throw a mattress in the back of your business and call it home. Then “Stand your ground”
I wonder if some looter in a shop would be found with a BIC lighter in his pocket and wine bottle full of fuel and stuffed with a rag next to his body. Seems likely. More than a few of them seem to like to try and burn shit down from different videos I have seen.Did the looters have matches in their pockets?
Arson has a provision for an occupied dwelling. If you see someone setting fire to your garden shed in the backyard, you can't shoot him. If your wife is in said shed, be judicious with your marksmanship.Correct me if I’m wrong but NY Penal code does not allow for the use of deadly force when protecting property, only for protecting human life or to stop a crime such as rape or arson.
People like that don't give a shit about long term. Many of them don't even give a shit about the items they take. Its just a chance to act like a medieval primate for a little while.Wow, that's pretty crazy. The sad part is they are only hurting themselves and their community. How many of these stores aren't going to be able to open for a while now and how many will never re-open?
As far as the shooting, from a quick search it appears that it is legal, if they can justify it properly. Shooting at people as they run away obviously is never a good look but the law I found says deadly force it is authorized under certain conditions.
S 35.20 Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and
in defense of a person in the course of burglary.
3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to
be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that
another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such
dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other
person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to
prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such
burglary.
Wow, that's pretty crazy. The sad part is they are only hurting themselves and their community. How many of these stores aren't going to be able to open for a while now and how many will never re-open?
These are NY sheriffs? I don't think so. But hey if you find yourself needing a legal defense attorney here in NY just call a Florida attorney. That will go well. lol
And bodies if it comes to that...Police.
Police your brass and shotgun hulls.
So, the moral of the story is "don't call 911 after" ?I know one was, not sure if others were.
The letter of the law says that your bar for use of deadly force is exactly the same as a police officer.While I can respect some of the view points here, I am a bit shocked that we aren't talking about who got hit. Oh, that's right, no one. Shots fired down a public street ending up who knows where and many are more concerned that the people doing the shooting had every right to, in their view defend themselves from thieves of material items. How would this all look had someone been hit by one of these rounds and were killed to save the profit on a bag on chips or whatever. Yeah, no. I will never take that position of defense unless all my rounds entered the body of the thief ans they're down hard. I can then account for all my rounds.
Remember! Your level of use of deadly force has a far higher bar than any police officers. It would be best if everyone kept that in mind.
Disliking looters doesn’t mean people don't also dislike the other undesirables you mentioned. Should we never talk about looting being an issue because child molesters exist?
Doesn't the letter of the law also state that injuries and deaths due to a person breaking the law are attributed to that person?The letter of the law says that your bar for use of deadly force is exactly the same as a police officer.
We all know in the real world the DA will not treat it that way, but on paper they are the same.
I'm not sure we know that shots were fired as irresponsibly as you suggest. Do you have any reports to suggest they were?
No, those people are right, that flat-screen TV isn't worth someone's life.Doesn't the letter of the law also state that injuries and deaths due to a person breaking the law are attributed to that person?
ie: if you break into a store with a friend, and the friend gets shot by the store owner, YOU are the one liable for the death.
And to those who feel that "material things" aren't worth taking the life of a criminal, I'm glad that you are in a position that the items you purchased with your hard work mean nothing, or are in a position that everything you own is superfluous and not required for day-to-day living.
Not everyone can come back from having their property stolen.
Not everyone feels criminals should be rewarded for their bad behavior.
Shooting always requires you to be aware of your surroundings, yes. For sure. In this case the vast majority of the city was locked down and really no one was out and about. It would be different if you were shooting at a purse snatcher in Times Square on December 31st.While I can respect some of the view points here, I am a bit shocked that we aren't talking about who got hit. Oh, that's right, no one. Shots fired down a public street ending up who knows where and many are more concerned that the people doing the shooting had every right to, in their view defend themselves from thieves of material items. How would this all look had someone been hit by one of these rounds and were killed to save the profit on a bag on chips or whatever. Yeah, no. I will never take that position of defense unless all my rounds entered the body of the thief ans they're down hard. I can then account for all my rounds.
Remember! Your level of use of deadly force has a far higher bar than any police officers. It would be best if everyone kept that in mind.
These are NY sheriffs? I don't think so. But hey if you find yourself needing a legal defense attorney here in NY just call a Florida attorney. That will go well. lol
These are NY sheriffs? I don't think so. But hey if you find yourself needing a legal defense attorney here in NY just call a Florida attorney. That will go well. lol
Arson has a provision for an occupied dwelling. If you see someone setting fire to your garden shed in the backyard, you can't shoot him. If your wife is in said shed, be judicious with your marksmanship.
These are NY sheriffs? I don't think so. But hey if you find yourself needing a legal defense attorney here in NY just call a Florida attorney. That will go well. lol
The arsonist can be charged with the aftermath, yes. Just like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. But if you use DPF to shoot someone setting fire to your vacant garden shed, you're going to jail.If I recall it doesn't have to even be occupied.
It can be an abandoned shed.
The logic is the firefighters rushing to put the fire out are at risk of a crash and injury and injuring the public,. The firefighters can still get hurt or killed fighting a fire. The fire can spread to other occupied structures.
It's essentially open season on Arsonists because their actions create secondary effects which put others lives in imminent danger even if the building they light on fire is vacant.
The arsonist can be charged with the aftermath, yes. Just like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. But if you use DPF to shoot someone setting fire to your vacant garden shed, you're going to jail.
It's not spelled out in Penal Code 35. There was a court case that defined the "occupied' part from years ago. I can't find it now, I forget which one. Chris Fry of MDTS used to reference it in all his defensive courses.I'm not so sure. Hopefully neither have to find out.
I'll have to re read the arson subsection
To say nothing of the fact that even in a dense urban environment there *are* a lot of adequate backstops.Shooting always requires you to be aware of your surroundings, yes. For sure. In this case the vast majority of the city was locked down and really no one was out and about. It would be different if you were shooting at a purse snatcher in Times Square on December 31st.