misunderestimated
.223 Rem
Make sure you keep your receipts, Make sure you have picture documentation of your fire arms showing the configuration it is in, If your ave a thordsons make sure the attachment screw is epoxedied
Man charged with safe act violation.
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libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Are you sure this is needed? I've never read that it's required in the safe act for any stocks you have, especially if you have kept true to a SAFE act compliant configuration that came from the manufacturer.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
Possibly to prevent an unscrupulous individual from swapping the Thordsen for a standard setup, thus manufacturing a felony via SAFE act violation?
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pjzwtl
.308 Win
Correct there is nothing in writing just examples where the SP have requested it be done
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's not law to have the screw epoxied. If it were the case, you'd have to do that with your Mini 14, Ruger 10/22, ECT.
On that note a factory original sks can be converted to a pistol grip stock and to accept detachable mags...
I guess worrying about permanently attaching featureless parts goes down a rabbit hole.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
The police didn't arrest or detain the guy, but they still spin it to the media like this guy broke out of jail. Classy. I wonder if the police chief personally responds to all calls, or to just to ones involving people he has a beef with.
I hope this guy sues the crap of of the police. They seized his property without evidence of a crime being committed - the 4th Amendment is still a thing, right? And if the gun is determined to be compliant, he can sue them for a Civil Rights violation - deprivation of rights under the color of law- cha-ching!!!
I predict either a plea or the DA quietly drops the charges. But I'd love to see this go to court.
freddy
.308 Win
Electro Convulsive Therapy?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Embedded Computer Technology
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Hey man, you can get the small RaspberryPi units for $5, and the OS runs Python by default. You joke, but putting something that small in a stock with enough space would be doable.
The better question would be what purpose would you use it for? Maybe put directional sensor and record each round fired, for a count? Who knows.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
BS alarms are going off in my head.
explain to me this, if you had time to get a rifle to face off a dog, you couldn't call police about said dog while inside the house? If even my kids where outside would you take the time to get your kids inside or go for a rifle first? Did the dog see the rifle and stand down? That's one amazing animal to know what a gun is.
Smell like allot of weird to me. None of it makes any dam sense. allot of missing information
explain to me this, if you had time to get a rifle to face off a dog, you couldn't call police about said dog while inside the house? If even my kids where outside would you take the time to get your kids inside or go for a rifle first? Did the dog see the rifle and stand down? That's one amazing animal to know what a gun is.
Smell like allot of weird to me. None of it makes any dam sense. allot of missing information
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Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
report i seen oh mean dog ,.. run to house get gun ... stay the fk there call 911 .. .. leo shows up and you run n hide .. WTF ..
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Yeah I may have been a little hasty in my support; if I'm carrying already and a ferocious poodle (for example) attacks me it's one thing. To rush inside and grab something (unless I'm protecting others) and come back out is another. I'm just eager for a cut-and-dry case of self-defense to go to court and chip away at (un)SAFE.
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
Although we may not know the story, the gun grab is working in New York. One gun at a time. regardless we do have the right to defend ourselves. We are our own first responders. If there was a dangerous dog roaming the streets in my neighbor hood I could also be the same guy who ran and retrieved a fire arms to protect my family and my neighbors and there children, I would not hide in my home waiting on some one to save me and hope it doesn't tear apart an elderly neighbor or one of the young children out and about in our neighborhood while I was waiting for the POLICE to save us. I would be out making sure my family and neighbors are protected from the animal. I may be the same guy trying to get it leashed if I feel I could instead of injuring it. But to say the guy is guilty of a crime because he did not run and hide is the leftist reasoning why we don't need firearms to protect ourselves,our family,our neighbors
Think about what you saying here
Think about what you saying here
Strange story. If his gun was “legal”, why the hell did he go “The Fugitive”? Normal people don’t do that. Strange story. I wonder if the dog was intimidated by the rifle when he came back with it? 
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Regardless of whether he used the best tactics, the chief of police saw what he was doing and didn't detain or arrest the fellow. The police seized his rifle without knowing if a crime was committed - if they didn't know the gun had a banned feature, they shouldn't have touched it.
One more thing that struck me as funny... There was no mention about checking the registry database. If the rifle had banned features but was registered, its still kosher. But as far as we know, it was never checked.
One more thing that struck me as funny... There was no mention about checking the registry database. If the rifle had banned features but was registered, its still kosher. But as far as we know, it was never checked.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Strange story. If his gun was “legal”, why the hell did he go “The Fugitive”? Normal people don’t do that. Strange story. I wonder if the dog was intimidated by the rifle when he came back with it?
From reading the articles, it says that the Chief took the rifle and refused to give him a receipt to take it away and check to see if it was legal. After it was determined to be illegal by the Chief, he was ordered to turn himself in.
This Poststar story says he bought it last year from a NY FFL so long after registry closed
.news/local/updated-man-sought-in-fort-edward-gun-case-surrenders-is/article_bb6eb7db-738f-50ba-9715-666b14dbcb9e.html
Sorry link did not copy right but it is from post #25 in this thread.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
That's all well and good, but the police don't know when he bought it.
If the cop is so inclined, due to the laws we have, they are legally entitled to take possession of a gun which seems to fit the bill to determine it’s status. It was in plain view. We’re not talking about a concealed handgun. Two different legal concepts.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
At the surface it sounds as if the homeowner and police chief have had bad blood in the past, and the homeowner is getting jammed up. That being said each of those news agencies had the "facts" different so who knows whats really going on. Either way the homeowner is getting charged under a bullshit law. Hopefully it goes to court and we get a ruling once and for all.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
How is that not a 4th amendment violation if the guy isn't under arrest? Can you impound my car to determine if its compliant too?
What other property can be taken without evidence of a crime being committed?
Its no different than asking for the papers to prove your car is legal, except in this case it would require the actual gun to check functionality. Plain view, that’s the legal premise. If the cop is so incline, they could absolutely take possession of a possible “assault weapon” to check its status. Unfortunately that’s what the Safe Act did.
Anything in plain view that could possibly be contriband. Your rights against search and seizure greatly diminish once items are exposed in public.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So if he held it in something like this, there is no ground to search and seize it?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
We already have case law that prohibits police from taking a gun to count bullets. How is a functionality that isn't readily apparent any different? If the guy fights this I see the "search" of his gun getting thrown out.
Shame on the police for not being able to visually recognize a banned feature.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Now its concealed. Get in the paddy wagon.So if he held it in something like this, there is no ground to search and seize it?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What if I only conceal the features?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
If you're in Ft. Edward, don't bother. The police chief won't know what they are anyway.