man identified as Trump supporter pulls a gun on rock-throwing Antifa rioters who vandalized his truck, reportedly maced him

[spat]

Sadly, cops are often put between a rock and a hard place. If you're following an order yoy believe to be lawful (whether you agree with it or not), and its later deemed unlawful, that's a similar scenario to ex post facto if you're punished for it.

No, that is not an appropriate comparison at all.

Ed post facto is about retroactively making something illegal.

This would be something that was always illegal and the officer was just mistaken.

"ignorance is no excuse" is what they'll tell you.

Just like the poor guy who thinks his Virginia permit will let him bring his handguns to his buddy's house in NY.

 

[Phazer]

Sadly, cops are often put between a rock and a hard place. If you're following an order yoy believe to be lawful (whether you agree with it or not), and its later deemed unlawful, that's a similar scenario to ex post facto if you're punished for it.

Fine!

If the government wants to make criminals out of peaceful law-abiding citizens for owning firearms that they ban and make illegal long after they were legally purchased, then government agents can share the pain in court for their good faith actions. After all, people acted in good faith when they legally acquired their defensive firearms. The government is threatening to betray that faith.

 

[dwa12479]

Fine!

If the government wants to make criminals out of peaceful law-abiding citizens for owning firearms that they ban and make illegal long after they were legally purchased, then government agents can share the pain in court for their good faith actions. After all, people acted in good faith when they legally acquired their defensive firearms. The government is threatening to betray that faith.

I agree with you in that regard. The pain should lie within those that are passing the laws, not the ones tasked with enforcing. That's rock and a hard place. LEO have no say in what is law and what is not. This video wasn't about a guy just "owning a gun". LEO showed up to the scene, had no idea what was happening, shut everything down, and upon investigation it appears all ended well for the appropriate parties. The law-abiding citizen defending himself was released with no charges and the dirtbags who caused the situation were arrested and charged.

 

[dwa12479]

No, that is not an appropriate comparison at all.

Ed post facto is about retroactively making something illegal.

This would be something that was always illegal and the officer was just mistaken.

"ignorance is no excuse" is what they'll tell you.

Just like the poor guy who thinks his Virginia permit will let him bring his handguns to his buddy's house in NY.

So how many cops are we going to send to jail for all the drug arrests over the years now that marijuana has been legalized in NY? The arrests were believed to be lawful when made, and according to the books at the time they were lawful. Now we're going to go back and say they shouldn't have made any of those arrests, they should have known better, and now they're all going to jail. ?

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

 

[dwa12479]

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One of the best movies ever made.

 

[meketrefe]

man "identified" as trump supporter

 

[Saltwater60]

My jaw may have dislocated from dropping so hard. I honestly can't believe what I'm seeing.

They allow the criminal vandalism and menacing from the rioters but as soon as the dude pulls out a firearm (not even in a ready position) he gets put to the ground and handcuffed? What about the rioters pointing the bear mace at him?

And there's STILL folks on here who don't understand why there is such tension with LE.

Add to that his windows and taillights were smashed and his front windshield had paint on it. What I’m getting at is the truck was not safe to drive at that point so what’s a man to do? He stopped and got maced so he said get away from me, they didn’t comply so he pulled his gun. I don’t really blame the cops for doing what they did. I think the name of that game was end the situation so no one died. They did that well and they were not rough with the guy. Anyone pulls a gun with a cop in the area and they should expect this for sure.
I get your point and these mother fuckers should be hunted down that did this to his vehicle. This won’t happen. They went there looking for trouble.

 

[spat]

So how many cops are we going to send to jail for all the drug arrests over the years now that marijuana has been legalized in NY? The arrests were believed to be lawful when made, and according to the books at the time they were lawful. Now we're going to go back and say they shouldn't have made any of those arrests, they should have known better, and now they're all going to jail. ?

Possession of Marijuana last year in NY was still illegal. Once this takes effect it won't be anymore, but that is not retroactive.

Somebody sitting in prison for possession will not even be released.

The old law was simply repealed, it was not declared unconstitutional.

Ex post facto means they can't prosecute you for having had a full featured AR in NY in 2012 even though they are illegal now.

And it doesn't mean that everyone arrested for violating the '94 AWB was automatically released when it expired.

 

[SomeSoldier]

So how many cops are we going to send to jail for all the drug arrests over the years now that marijuana has been legalized in NY? The arrests were believed to be lawful when made, and according to the books at the time they were lawful. Now we're going to go back and say they shouldn't have made any of those arrests, they should have known better, and now they're all going to jail. ?

Completely different, there is no Constitutional Amendment protecting drug use, but there is one protecting weapon ownership for self defense.

 

[Acer-m14]

Ex post facto means in simple words .. you park your car in a legal spot like you have for years .. then the town comes in and puts up no parking signs during the night while you were asleep .. they plan on fixing the road in a few days or so .. and now you have a ticket on the windshield to pay for .. ticket dismissed .. Ex post facto

 

[spat]

Ex post facto means in simple words .. you park your car in a legal spot like you have for years .. then the town comes in and puts up no parking signs during the night while you were asleep .. they plan on fixing the road in a few days or so .. and now you have a ticket on the windshield to pay for .. ticket dismissed .. Ex post facto

Kinda.

If your car was still parked there after the sign changed you can still be ticketed (although probably won't be).

Ex post facto means they can't put the sign up at 9am and then ticket you for having been parked there at 8:00. If you're *still* parked there at 10:00 you're fair game.

Just like the 30 round mags you bought in 2012 are illegal in NY now. The fact that you bought them before SAFE is irrelevant as long as you continued to possess them after it took effect.

 

[fresch]

Seeing how we have too many laws no one could possibly know what is isn't legal without reading 3 law books before acting.
We had some law interaction last year, court orders, cops were called by the female trouble maker who had the hastily order made, I read the order for my son while he calls his lawyer, we both came up with what it said. Cop s arrived they couldn't understand what was written but tried to side with the female who never shut up ranting and yelling, we were very polite, calm, explained what we thought, we won after the cop tried to intimidate both of us with arrest ; the next week new paperwork was produced correctly and we turned over the child as per court orders.

 

[nortatoga]

And many of them are not smart enough to know what is and what is not Constitutional.

As are some on this forum!

 

[Acer-m14]

Ex post facto means they can't put the sign up at 9am and then ticket you for having been parked there at 8:00. If you're *still* parked there at 10:00 you're fair game.

but i am still sleeping at 10am and i get up at 3pm .. night shift .. its true .. i wont hit the bed till like 5am ... LOL ..

 

[spat]

but i am still sleeping at 10am and i get up at 3pm .. night shift .. its true .. i wont hit the bed till like 5am ... LOL ..

Then you started violating the rules at 10am when they went into effect. The fact that you were sleeping is irrelevant.


For example, after our recent move I found a box with some 30 round magazines that had been stashed away in a closet in my basement in NY.

I had acquired them legally long before SAFE and had forgotten about them.

I didn't remember them until I opened the box here in AZ and said "well, look at that".

I guess I was violating the SAFE act for years.

The fact that they were legal when I acquired them and I didn't do anything with them after it went into effect is irrelevant.