Manhattan DA Not Prosecuting Serious Crimes/Prosecute Armed Robbery as a Misdemeanor (Merged)

[pshift]

Maybe grant full carry to law abiding citizens and NYS residents reciprocity to apply only in Manhattan, NY?

Manhattan, New York to Prosecute Armed Robbery as a Misdemeanor – Personal Defense World

Here’s the scenario: You’re carrying a concealed firearm. Wisely, you have trained extensively on how and when you can use it in a self-defense scenario. While you’re walking home from work, a man comes up behind you, shoves you into an abandoned alley. He then sticks a snub-nosed revolver in...

www.firearmman.com

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

How long before 1st degree murder is rewarded with something from the same pad traffic tickets are written on?

 

[fresch]

Just what is murder now days?
Kill a pregnant person and the it inside you are charged with 2 murders.
A pregnant person chooses to kill the it inside, the person is charged with Making a personal choice.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Don't fall into the trap. Even the Crypts and Bloods agree with me when I say: All of these DA's Mayors, Congresspeople and potentates that have received money from Soros, are trying to create a crime zombie apocalypse so that crime and especially gun crime become so crazy that the people will rise up and demand stronger gun laws and restrictions. Frankly, it is the best explanation for what they are doing that I can come up with.

 

[fnfalguy]

Just what is murder now days?
Kill a pregnant person and the it inside you are charged with 2 murders.
A pregnant person chooses to kill the it inside, the person is charged with Making a personal choice.

It really is all about timing, huh?

 

[BerettaGuy]

I rest my case. Zombies are attacking the trains now but will be expanding to the burbs soon.

 

[Darth]

Just what is murder now days?
Kill a pregnant person and the it inside you are charged with 2 murders.
A pregnant person chooses to kill the it inside, the person is charged with Making a personal choice.

That's not true.

 

[FRANKIE]

“will not seek a carceral sentence” except with homicides and a handful of other cases, including domestic violence felonies, some sex crimes, and public corruption.

lol!
Public corruption? Guess he’ll be putting himself away

 

[BerettaGuy]

It really is all about timing, huh?

Yeah, most animals from amebas to lions, will fight and even kill to procreate and continue their species. WE on the other hand have "progressed" by being progressive.
Bring on the law of unintended consequences.
Why even the Corona Virus knows there is no benefit to its host dying so it mutates until a compatible co-existence is reached.
You may be miserable but once it is done with you you will recover.
Let just hope the Corona Virus doesn't turn "progressive" like progressives.

 

[Blimey]

I rest my case. Zombies are attacking the trains now but will be expanding to the burbs soon.

I don't see it spreading because suburbanites don't tolerate it. People in these big cities appear to like this stuff because they continue, with very strong majorities, to vote for crime-weak candidates. The DAs are complicit. When crime goes up they just double down. Eventually they will snap back, though.

As for the misdemeanor thing I strongly disagree with that blog post's argument that being held by gun point and using a gun to kill the person will not be allowed because what he did would otherwise be charged as a misdemeanor. Even in NYC if a criminal pulls a gun on you and you shoot him dead you are good to go, in my opinion (assuming you're one of the privileged who got a conceal permit).

 

[spat]

Maybe grant full carry to law abiding citizens and NYS residents reciprocity to apply only in Manhattan, NY?

Manhattan, New York to Prosecute Armed Robbery as a Misdemeanor – Personal Defense World

Here’s the scenario: You’re carrying a concealed firearm. Wisely, you have trained extensively on how and when you can use it in a self-defense scenario. While you’re walking home from work, a man comes up behind you, shoves you into an abandoned alley. He then sticks a snub-nosed revolver in...

www.firearmman.com

The good news is that if they decriminalize everything, then you don't need to worry about a carry permit at all.

 

[tirwin1]

Don't fall into the trap. Even the Crypts and Bloods agree with me when I say: All of these DA's Mayors, Congresspeople and potentates that have received money from Soros, are trying to create a crime zombie apocalypse so that crime and especially gun crime become so crazy that the people will rise up and demand stronger gun laws and restrictions. Frankly, it is the best explanation for what they are doing that I can come up with.

I think they believe the "system" is racist and use it to justify crime by black people. And we all know it makes no sense to send another black man to prison for the rest of his life. So the solution is to prevent them from going to prison in the first place by decriminalizing everything possible.

And when crime increases they will just ignore the complaints of the citizens/victims because they are just looking to perpetuate a..... racist system.

 

[RedBreast21]

I am adimitmently oppose to this nonsense like many here on this forum. But for me the issue goes deeper into a well practice policy many of us don't know with these types of prosecutions. DA's have discretion on what charges will be filed against a suspect and generally only get directly involved with high profile cases when politics are in play. Day to day armed robbery is a serious but all to common charge in NYC. ADA's handle most of these cases for DA's and with multiple time felony offenders, use of a firearm is a mandatory federal time. The prison system is already packed and that in itself is a political issue. Many many times the firearm charge is not pursued for that reason of over crowding so the charges get reduced. No physical contact to the victim and it gets reduced even further. It usually ends up with simple robbery which a kin to shop lifting.

So either policy ends up with the same legal out come. Announcing the policy will encourage new criminals but the career ones already know the system and won't notice a change except to be released a little faster.

Announcing the policy change is low hanging fruit for Adam's to appease ignorant voters. As if he is doing something for the black community. He isn't. It is business as usually with less paper work. Smart play and an easy victory lap for him. lol

 

[fresch]

That's not true.

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[Darth]

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Far removed from "charged with 2 murders."

 

[fresch]

Ok
How

 

[livingston]

New York District Attorney Calls for End to Prosecuting Serious Crimes. It’s Every Criminal’s Lucky Day in Gotham.​

All criminals are welcome appears to be the policy of the New York district attorney.

Newly-elected Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg released a “day 1 memo” highlighting how various crimes—some quite serious—will no longer be prosecuted under his leadership.


One of the crimes his office won’t prosecute is armed robberies of businesses. Suspects in those cases who make off with less than $1,000 in stolen goods will now be charged with the lesser crime of petty larceny, a misdemeanor.

Among the other crimes his office will no longer prosecute are resisting arrest, fare beating, prostitution, and trespassing. Basically, the only criminals who will now face serious jail time are murderers.

“Even when Bragg does intend to seek jail sentences, the penalties will not be stiff,” wrote Seth Barron at City Journal. “Bragg says that the maximum sentence sought for any offense will be 20 years, and that his office will never seek life without parole. If 20 years is the maximum sentence for the worst offenses, expect a severe discount on sentences for other offenses across the board.”

The New York district attorney said that his policies were meant to “marry fairness and safety.” But given the details of his memo, it’s clear this marriage is a sham.

New York District Attorney Calls for End to Prosecuting Serious Crimes. It’s Every Criminal’s Lucky Day in Gotham.

In New York, criminals are learning that they have the keys to the city, and there’s little the justice system will now do about it.

www.dailysignal.com

 

[dwa12479]

NYC will be thrown back into the 70s

 

[kev74]

And our useless governor FUKH, who has the authority to remove this commie dummy from office has said nothing.

 

[pshift]

Sooooooooo, that means that I can finally carry in NYC with my valid NYS CCW Permit and not be prosecuted. Right????

1. The following charges will not be prosecuted under any circumstances:

a. Marijuana misdemeanors, PL §§ 222.30 and 222.50

b. Fare evasion (turnstile jumping), PL §165.15

c. Trespass, PL §§ 140.05, 140.10, 140.15, unless the trespass is a family offense pursuant to CPL § 530.11 or accompanies any felony charge as a lesser included offense

d. Driving with a suspended license, VTL § 511.1. Note that any vehicular collision resulting in any physical injury should be pursued as an act of reckless driving, reckless endangerment, negligent or reckless assault, failure to yield, or any other applicable statute. This policy addresses only criminalization of a failure to pay fines and does not address the criminalization of dangerous driving.

e. Any violation, traffic infraction, or other non-criminal offense not accompanied by a misdemeanor or felony.

f. Consensual sex trade. This does not include coercive practices regularly done by those who traffic in the sex trade and crimes like money laundering that flow from such practices.

g. Outdated offenses such as Obscenity, PL Article 235, Fortune Telling, PL § 165.35, and adultery PL § 255.17

h. Resisting Arrest, PL § 205.30, for the act of resisting arrest for any non-criminal offense

i. Obstructing Governmental Administration in the Second Degree, PL § 195.05

2. All other misdemeanor charges for which an appearance ticket is granted shall be offered diversion. Diversion is defined as the opportunity to complete a short but meaningful programming mandate after arrest through a community-based provider, based on the needs of the person arrested. Those who complete a diversion mandate will have their cases declined for prosecution.

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SPECIAL PROCEDURES FOR FIREARM CASES

The office will shift resources towards targeting gun trafficking, addressing the source of gun violence and not its effect.

When gun violence occurs, we will prosecute and the policies on dispositions above apply to these cases. In determining whether the presumption of non-incarceration is overcome, ADAs must recognize that most gun violence is driven by a small number of people in a small geographic area, and not every person charged with possessing an illegal gun in New York City is a driver of violence. The presumption of non-incarceration should be overcome if the defendant is clearly a driver of gun violence. In these cases, the recommended disposition should not be consistent with research showing that swift and predictable justice is an effective deterrent of gun violence.

The office will also greatly expand the use of community based interventions such as Cure Violence as a means of deterring and addressing gun violence. The office will invest forfeiture funds in expanding such programming as necessary.

a. Consistent with past policies, those arrested and offered diversion will be permitted to consult with an attorney regarding their options.

b. If the person accepts the diversion, they will never need to appear in court, regardless of if their diversion mandate is not complete before their scheduled appearance.

c. The office shall ensure that appearance tickets are not improperly granted for any act for which they are legally prohibited, such as domestic violence, sex offenses, those requiring a protective order during the pendency of the case (including most assaults, stalking, menacing, and other similar behavior), and those requiring a driver’s license suspension, including Driving While Intoxicated. Any such case for which an appearance ticket was improperly granted is not subject to this diversion policy.

 

[FP1201]

Well if the "end" was lining the Thugs, Gangsters, and other career violent criminals and shooting them dead, then I'l all for it! When we reach that point we need to include the career politicians too.

 

[Cooolone]

Interestingly... He is currently consulting with Preet Bahrara over his ultra Progressive policies!

Now who wudda thunk it?

 

[Saltwater60]

I rest my case. Zombies are attacking the trains now but will be expanding to the burbs soon.

They need to issue shoot on sight orders to stop this. I saw this on the news and the train robberies are up 350% and they blame it on catch and release practices. LA DA is now going to solve it after it’s been going on for almost a year and a half because it’s been in the news and people are pissed.

 

[spat]

NYC will be thrown back into the 70s

The 1670's where there was no such thing as law enforcement. You defended yourself, or you put together an ad hoc mob to seek vengeance. Actual justice was left to god.

 

[Grimscale]

ADAs must recognize that most gun violence is driven by a small number of people in a small geographic area,

He'd better be careful... he's skirting the edges of racism here.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Remember when Newsome and Cuomo would bicker like little boys in pre-school?
I'm more liberal than you!
Oh no you're not! I'm more liberal than you!
Unh aa! I'm the most liberal gubenor in the whole world!
No your not!
Yes I am!
Well, I think the nod has to go to Cuomo.
Here is Newsome taking Cuomo's lead and showing up for a photo op and he spent a few minutes picking up the crime scene evidence for the camera's along with the obligatory "We have a plan" speech.
He is obviously copying Cuomo who would be doing the same thing, but while wearing his Gucci Shoes, not his ugs.
Anyway, he showed up and all is well now!

 

[ProgSpear]

The good news is that if they decriminalize everything, then you don't need to worry about a carry permit at all.

FIFY

 

[BerettaGuy]

I rest my case. Zombies are attacking the trains now but will be expanding to the burbs soon.

I used to work these cases when a trailer was broken into on a train. I also worked train derailments that would look like this. It wasn't an easy task to gather up the evidence and record the labels of everything you possibly could.
Here, after looking at this disaster, the media sees a "littering" problem and doesn't care about the "victims" losing their deliveries from businesses. They see UPS and AMAZON packages,
But WAIT!
HERE IS SOMETHING TO CREATE REAL PANIC!

Guns stolen from rail cars spark LAPD concern

LOS ANGELES — Guns are among the items that have been stolen from cargo containers on railroad tracks in Lincoln Heights, Los Angeles Police Chief Michel Moore said Monday.

www.hastingstribune.com

 

[Grimscale]

Why would people panic? I'm sure those guns had proper 4473s filed on the acquirers. Full background checks, and none were scary "assault weapons".

 

[Apeman]

This should be a good show. The mayor wants illegal searches at entry points to catch illegal guns.

The mayor said appointing city judges who have “demonstrated commitment” to locking up criminals who use firearms is also a method that will help curb the surge in gun that has been plaguing the city.

How does that work when you have a DA that's soft on crime? Even if you get a judge on the bench that will uphold the law, that judge can't do that if charges aren't brought against someone.