Manual Action ARs

That_FNG · Jan 26, 2019

I built one and I love it. Even if I didn’t reside in ny I would still have it.

dsdmmat · Jan 26, 2019

White oaks side charging upper receiver, green mountain barrels chambered blank barrel and you have a straight pull bolt action.

STS556 · Jan 26, 2019

Lantac makes a nice side pull manual bolt and matching upper receiver. As mentioned above, a nice barrel with no gas port and you have a dedicated bolt action AR. I have been eyeing this set up for a while but just the bolt and upper is $500. But this set up leaves absolutely no gray area as far as NY laws are concerned.

ArmedCorgi · Jan 26, 2019

I wanted an AR bolt action, so I bought the Ruger American Ranch in 5.56 that takes AR mags. Maybe one day, they will come out with a pistol grip chassis for it. Regardless, it's a bolt action AR that doesn't look like an AR. No grey area in NY.

Marine Cpl · Jan 26, 2019

I think the point of a bolt action AR in 5.56 mm is to skirt the law.

When you use barrels without gas ports, it isn't easily convertible. For that just go to true bolt action if you want it just for target.

togmaster · Jan 26, 2019

Willjr75 said:
I think the point of a bolt action AR in 5.56 mm is to skirt the law.

When you use barrels without gas ports, it isn't easily convertible. For that just go to true bolt action if you want it just for target.

Why isn't it easy? Swap barrel add gas block and tube. Under an hour of work. How is that not easy?

Marine Cpl · Jan 26, 2019

togmaster said:
Why isn't it easy? Swap barrel add gas block and tube. Under an hour of work. How is that not easy?

Swap extra bolt and handle. Under 5 seconds. No tools.

repete · Jan 26, 2019

togmaster said:
Why isn't it easy? Swap barrel add gas block and tube. Under an hour of work. How is that not easy?

Keep talking, Cuomo loves hearing from people like you!

That_FNG · Jan 26, 2019

TestPost said:
What did you build exactly? Parts, style, etc..have any pics?

Did a young manufacturing side charging straight pull upper with no gas system. It was no different that building a normal AR15 except did not install the gas tube and installed the gas block backwards to cover the gas port in the barrel.

Pull the bolt handle back and then release it. The buffer spring returns it to battery. Think along the lines of a modern Swiss k31 style rifle. Shooting from a rest with the bipod I can be as quick as a semi auto. Everybody who has shot it has commented on how much fun it is.

dsdmmat · Jan 27, 2019

Willjr75 said:
I think the point of a bolt action AR in 5.56 mm is to skirt the law.

When you use barrels without gas ports, it isn't easily convertible. For that just go to true bolt action if you want it just for target.

Two pins.

Robin · Jan 27, 2019

That_FNG said:
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Did a young manufacturing side charging straight pull upper with no gas system. It was no different that building a normal AR15 except did not install the gas tube and installed the gas block backwards to cover the gas port in the barrel.

Pull the bolt handle back and then release it. The buffer spring returns it to battery. Think along the lines of a modern Swiss k31 style rifle. Shooting from a rest with the bipod I can be as quick as a semi auto. Everybody who has shot it has commented on how much fun it is.

That is outstanding FNG!!!! I assume you have the appropriate parts on hand. Is that a Bear Creek upper?
Robin

That_FNG · Jan 27, 2019

Robin said:
That is outstanding FNG!!!! I assume you have the appropriate parts on hand. Is that a Bear Creek upper?
Robin

It’s a young manufacturing upper. Upper and left side bolt came as a package set. They also make it in right side charging as well. The upper had the dust cover and forward assist already installed, I just had to barrel and handguard. I think it was around $400 for both. The barrel is and Odin works stainless heavy barrel in 18” length and the brake is a JP machine I think. By installing the gas block backwards it allowed me to use any barrel I want instead of having to have one custom made.

That_FNG · Jan 27, 2019

I should also add that the reason I built it as such was not to skirt any law, but to have a modern interpretation of what a Swiss k31 rifle could be. I have all the ergonomics and customizable nature of the ar platform. As a lefty finding a left handed rifle that offers everything I want can be challenging.

That_FNG · Jan 27, 2019

https://youngmanufacturing.net/prod...eceiver-w-right-side-charge-carrier-complete/

Here is there right side charger upper with bolt. I noticed that the right side one does not have a forward assist (not really needed with a bolt handle attached to the bolt)or a dust cover (not practical on the right side)

I believe I remember that the bolt/carrier is hard chromed. Allows all dirt to just slide right off the bolt carrier with a quick wipe.

STS556 · Jan 27, 2019

I know everyone says just go with a dedicated bolt rifle like the 700 but what I find that draws me to a bolt action AR is the weight. I notice that my 700's seem to be a little heavier than all my AR's. Having at least one lighter weight bolt rifle would be nice.

dsdmmat · Jan 27, 2019

STS556 said:
I know everyone says just go with a dedicated bolt rifle like the 700 but what I find that draws me to a bolt action AR is the weight. I notice that my 700's seem to be a little heavier than all my AR's. Having at least one lighter weight bolt rifle would be nice.

I built two in 223 and one in 17 Remington. The 17Rem was a savage 25 barrel that was chambered in 17 Hornet. Just threaded the barrel for the AR barrel extension and rechambered it. Fun gun to shoot and a real light weight upper. I pull the gas rings from the bolt to make it easier to pull.

Robin · Jan 27, 2019

That_FNG said:
It’s a young manufacturing upper. Upper and left side bolt came as a package set. They also make it in right side charging as well. The upper had the dust cover and forward assist already installed, I just had to barrel and handguard. I think it was around $400 for both. The barrel is and Odin works stainless heavy barrel in 18” length and the brake is a JP machine I think. By installing the gas block backwards it allowed me to use any barrel I want instead of having to have one custom made.

I went to their web site. I couldn't find any left handed uppers.
Robin

That_FNG · Jan 27, 2019

Robin said:
I went to their web site. I couldn't find any left handed uppers.
Robin

They discontinued the left handed uppers due to lack of customer interest. Not many lefties out there I guess

That_FNG · Jan 27, 2019

dsdmmat said:
I built two in 223 and one in 17 Remington. The 17Rem was a savage 25 barrel that was chambered in 17 Hornet. Just threaded the barrel for the AR barrel extension and rechambered it. Fun gun to shoot and a real light weight upper. I pull the gas rings from the bolt to make it easier to pull.

I pulled the gas rings from the bolt as well. Makes it easier to cycle the bolt

That_FNG · Jan 27, 2019

TestPost said:
That seems overly expensive - must be because they make so few. Compared to something like (BCA AR-15 Side Charging Upper Receiver/BCG Combo .223 / 5.56 NATO) I don't understand why I wouldn't get the second, just quality?

I bought mine a couple of years ago, there wasn’t as many choices as there is now. If you like the BCA stuff then I’d say go for it

Marine Cpl · Jan 27, 2019

dsdmmat said:
Two pins.

And a vice, hammer, ect. With the Kali Key, just a extra bolt carrier and charging handle swap.

dsdmmat · Jan 27, 2019

Willjr75 said:
And a vice, hammer, ect. With the Kali Key, just a extra bolt carrier and charging handle swap.

Went right over your head didn’t it.

Marine Cpl · Jan 27, 2019

dsdmmat said:
Went right over your head didn’t it.

I guess it did. Are you talking about changing a gas block or barrel?

Edit. Figured it out. 2 pins. Swap upper.

Sixbennetts · Jan 27, 2019

A couple Kali-key questions:

1. Where does the gas go if it's not hitting the gas key?

2. If it just dissipates inside the rifle, couldn't you achieve the same result by just removing the standard gas key altogether?

fnfalguy · Jan 27, 2019

Question for the hive mind since I’ve never built an AR upper before. If one was to get this BCA AR-15 Complete Side Charging Upper, 16” 416R Stainless Steel Barrel, M4 Contour Profile, .223 Wylde, 1:8 Twist w/ 15” Gen 4 Lightweight Keymod Rail and flip the gas block to block the port, it becomes a bolt action, right? Any downside?

That_FNG · Jan 27, 2019

fnfalguy said:
Question for the hive mind since I’ve never built an AR upper before. If one was to get this BCA AR-15 Complete Side Charging Upper, 16” 416R Stainless Steel Barrel, M4 Contour Profile, .223 Wylde, 1:8 Twist w/ 15” Gen 4 Lightweight Keymod Rail and flip the gas block to block the port, it becomes a bolt action, right? Any downside?

Flip the gas block upside down or reverse it. You don’t want to redirect the gases you want to block off the port in the barrel.

I did exactly this when I built mine. Haven’t had a problem since

fnfalguy · Jan 27, 2019

@That_FNG Thanks. Will give it a shot.

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