Massachusetts Couple Accused of ‘Kidnapping’ Their Own Five Children from State Custody

[livingston]

Massachusetts Couple Accused of ‘Kidnapping’ Their Own Five Children from State Custody​

A Massachusetts couple is facing serious charges after allegedly kidnapping their five children, who had been placed in the custody of the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families (DCF).
The ordeal began when the family’s pediatrician, a mandatory reporter, threatened to report them to DCF after the parents declined vaccinations for their infant during a wellness check.
“The doctor said if we didn’t vaccinate, he’d have to report us,” the father, “Izzy” Rivera, allegedly told an advocate who provided safe harbor for the family in Texas. “Despite assurances that their baby was well-fed, cared for, and thriving, DCF soon left a notice on their door demanding a home visit. Fearing for their family, the parents refused, citing their rights.”

What followed was a dramatic escalation. Fitchburg police, at the direction of Leominster DCF allegedly surrounded their apartment, banging on doors and circling the property for up to 30 minutes. “Ruth Encarnacion hid in the closet with her five children,” said the good samaritan who assisted the family over their 3 week exile. According to her account of what the family told her, with police and DCF returning in greater numbers the next day, Rivera was also forced to hide, while his wife and children fled from Fitchburg.

Massachusetts Couple Accused of 'Kidnapping' Their Own Five Children from State Custody | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

A Massachusetts couple faces serious charges after allegedly kidnapping their five children from state custody, sparking a multi-state manhunt. The unfolding legal battle raises significant questions about child welfare and parental rights.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Celt]

This is the problem with the system. The state has no right to take these kids away from their parents if they are in good health, not being abused, and the only complaint is refusal of vaccinations.

 

[spat]

This is the problem with the system. The state has no right to take these kids away from their parents if they are in good health, not being abused, and the only complaint is refusal of vaccinations.

More kids have been abused in state custody than in any family's.

 

[Parzival]

More kids have been abused in state custody than in any family's.

Source?

 

[spat]

More kids have been abused in state custody than in any family's.

Source?

Simple math.

We have all read news stories about kids getting abused in state custody (and I'd like to remind you that the foster system counts as state custody).

There are easily more reports there than there are kids in even the largest family.

Here's a single example from a single site that is many times more kids than any family.

I am sure could dig up hundreds more like it in a few minutes.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/01/us/dozier-school-abuse-restitution/index.html

 

[Defilade]

Show me the Contract I signed to allow the Hospital or the State to Vaccinate my children? ..... Kidnapped? More like saved! I see that "Mandates" are still around. "Mandates" once again are not Laws. Thought this battle was reversed during th Covid B.S.

 

[Saltwater60]

Simple math.

We have all read news stories about kids getting abused in state custody (and I'd like to remind you that the foster system counts as state custody).

There are easily more reports there than there are kids in even the largest family.

Here's a single example from a single site that is many times more kids than any family.

I am sure could dig up hundreds more like it in a few minutes.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/01/us/dozier-school-abuse-restitution/index.html

I’m sure you’re correct by percentage maybe not number. Foster care is ripe with abuse for kids to kid and parent to kid.
Foster care system is broken. At my church we partner with an organization that works to keep kids being taken away from parents that aren’t abusive but have fallen on hard times. The people they work with lose their kids for two main reasons. They are lack of bedding or crib and lack of appliances mainly a working refrigerator. So NYS would rather steal kids from parents spending thousands monthly to do so than buy a bed or a refrigerator for these families. Makes little sense to me and the system is broken from day one.

 

[spat]

I’m sure you’re correct by percentage maybe not number. Foster care is ripe with abuse for kids to kid and parent to kid.
Foster care system is broken. At my church we partner with an organization that works to keep kids being taken away from parents that aren’t abusive but have fallen on hard times. The people they work with lose their kids for two main reasons. They are lack of bedding or crib and lack of appliances mainly a working refrigerator. So NYS would rather steal kids from parents spending thousands monthly to do so than buy a bed or a refrigerator for these families. Makes little sense to me and the system is broken from day one.

I wasn't thinking percentage, but raw numbers.

Every state in the union probably thousands of kids being abused right now.

There is no family with thousands of kids.

 

[FP1201]

Source?

It's going to vary from location to location, but any like ours are fucked up, and I'd chance a taking my kids out of the Country before letting those fuckwads get a hold of them,

 

[Parzival]

I’m sure you’re correct by percentage maybe not number. Foster care is ripe with abuse for kids to kid and parent to kid.
Foster care system is broken. At my church we partner with an organization that works to keep kids being taken away from parents that aren’t abusive but have fallen on hard times. The people they work with lose their kids for two main reasons. They are lack of bedding or crib and lack of appliances mainly a working refrigerator. So NYS would rather steal kids from parents spending thousands monthly to do so than buy a bed or a refrigerator for these families. Makes little sense to me and the system is broken from day one.

NYS doesn’t remove kids for those reasons, you are not getting the whole story.

I know personal stories of kids who were intentionally burned with cigarettes, knowingly getting molested by step parents, covered in bruises, in meth withdrawal from parents cooking, no running water or electricity in the house, outside walls missing in the middle of winter, pet and human feces covering the house, a family a 7 living in a minivan, kids returned home with no bed. These kids were not removed or were allowed to return home.

Now I’m in MT, Google Tony Renova. He never should have gone home. The department knew he was sleeping on the floor, and they refused a bed from the fosters.

Yes the state run programs failed these kids, yes there are fosters who are only in it for the money and/or abuse kids. There is a severe lack of safe foster homes for these kids to be in.

I am all for kids being with family and reunification, but the first priority should be to the safety of the kids, not sending them back into harms way.

 

[Acer-m14]

• DeShaney v. Winnebago County Dep't of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989). State child welfare agency does not have a duty to protect a child from known child abuse when (1) the child is in parental custody, and (2) the state did not create the danger of abuse or increase the risk of abuse.
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• South v. Maryland (1856):
  One of the earliest cases to discuss the public duty doctrine, it established that police officers have no duty to protect individuals unless a special relationship exists.
  
  
• Warren v. District of Columbia (1981):
  This case further clarified that police do not have a specific duty to protect individuals from harm, even if they have been called to a property multiple times.
  
  
• DeShaney v. Winnebago (1989):
  This case established that the government has no duty to protect individuals, even those in custody, unless the government takes affirmative action to place the individual in a dangerous situation.
  
  
• Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005):
  This Supreme Court case affirmed that police do not have a constitutional duty to protect someone from harm, even if they are aware of a restraining order violation and have a mandatory arrest statute.
  
  
• The Public Duty Doctrine:
  This legal principle, used in Castle Rock, Warren, and other cases, states that police generally owe a duty to the public as a whole, not specific individuals.

 

[spat]

NYS doesn’t remove kids for those reasons, you are not getting the whole story.

I know personal stories of kids who were intentionally burned with cigarettes, knowingly getting molested by step parents, covered in bruises, in meth withdrawal from parents cooking, no running water or electricity in the house, outside walls missing in the middle of winter, pet and human feces covering the house, a family a 7 living in a minivan, kids returned home with no bed. These kids were not removed or were allowed to return home.

Now I’m in MT, Google Tony Renova. He never should have gone home. The department knew he was sleeping on the floor, and they refused a bed from the fosters.

Yes the state run programs failed these kids, yes there are fosters who are only in it for the money and/or abuse kids. There is a severe lack of safe foster homes for these kids to be in.

I am all for kids being with family and reunification, but the first priority should be to the safety of the kids, not sending them back into harms way.

Just because not all kids being abuse are being removed doesn't mean that no kids who aren't being abused are being removed.

They can be terrible and have both false positives *and* false negatives.

Probably just depends on what bureaucrat gets assigned to a particular case.

The system is utterly terrible.

 

[Cavalry]

NYS doesn’t remove kids for those reasons, you are not getting the whole story.

My wife is a mandated reporter. She has had some pretty terrible abuse/ neglect stories and the kids are rarely taken away from the dirtbag parents and if they are they are returned.

 

[Celt]

I am all for kids being with family and reunification, but the first priority should be to the safety of the kids, not sending them back into harms way.

I don't think anybody would argue that. But removing kids simply for not being vaccinated would be a travesty.

 

[Saltwater60]

I wasn't thinking percentage, but raw numbers.

Every state in the union probably thousands of kids being abused right now.

There is no family with thousands of kids.

I get your angle now. I meant maybe the state has thousands being abused but each state might have 10’s of thousands of kids being abused by their parents. The number of kids in foster care percentage wise is low compared to the number of kids in each state.