Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And here's birdshot since that's what I believe you are loading. Birdshot is for birds. It's a terrible load for self defense.
"Morgantown Mom Catches Pedophile Trying To Rape Child, Blows His Head Off With Shotgun"
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
@Willjr75 this was in the bedroom .. all she had no more then 12 to 16 feet .. close range and did the job .. nuff said .. happy ending ..
this was not a hallway shooting .. so why bring it .. and even it it was .. if all she has was a shotgun light him up .. don't think the child was laying in the hallway.
if all you have is a shotgun just load it with slugs for that hallway encounter and close encounters
from that video .. what choke on that moss ??
I felt same way until I took a defensive shottie class (from Fry). Pattern your gun and ammo at most household distances you'd be surprised how tight the groupings are. Personally if it were my boy or wife being held at bay I have no doubt I'd take the shot. Even if that required one off center or down low followed up with a second to stop the threat. Shottie will get the job done. No doubt.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I guess you don't get my point or want to get my point about home defense shots not always being close range. Nevermind. You are right. All encounters will always be like that one and birdshot is an excellent choice for self-defense.
I was wrong.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I wouldn't take that risk. Especially when adrenaline fueled. No way. There are better choices out there. It's not the right tool for the job.
No doubt but it also depends on what's available to you at the time. Given a shotgun or dialing 911 I'd take the shotgun every time if my family was at risk.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If it's all I had, slugs would be the smartest choice. Still not ideal and I'd be looking to replace it.
Yeah I get it just saying this woman used what was at hand and stopped the threat against her child. She should be commended not second guessed.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Who's second guessing her? A statement was made of what could of happened if circumstances were different. That is all.
Jackalope
.45 acp
There are different shotgun loads for different situations. There are loads specific for self defense. Take a defensive shotgun course and learn how a shotgun can be an excellent defensive weapon. For instance the Keltec KSG is a relatively compact shotgun, which has two separate magazine tubes, and at least 14 rounds can be carried. One magazine could be loaded with slugs and the other could have birdshot or whatever. This allows the operator to choose which load is appropriate for the situation. I'd say that most self defense shots are probably 3-6 yards if inside a home. One round of buckshot is equivalent to 7-10 rounds of 9mm. In most cases a compact shotgun will be an excellent self defense tool. It may not be perfect, but I'd prefer a shotgun over a rifle when defending inside a home, especially because of the risk of over penetration.
Would you take that chance with a loved one? I wouldn't. At 10 yards the pattern is this size with an average load. You may very well have to take a shot at that distance and that's not taking fliers into effect.
Years ago I had the smooth bore 20" barrel (w/iron sights) from my 870 reworked hy Hans Vang. It does all this video claims, actually betters the claims. Not cheap, but it works.
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You'd have to look all over the room to accomplish that.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
She sure changed the attackers mind.....
....into a pink Slurpee.
....into a pink Slurpee.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
In the interest of discussion, this is how I see it. Full chokes, Federal Flight Control Wads, Vangcomps, ect, are all methods to try turn a shotgun into something it is not designed to do. These items try to keep the pellets together and increase the range of a system that is designed to scatter shot. A smooth bore is basically a musket. It has no rifling. It is an antiquated design if used for anything other than it's purpose of scattering shot at close range. It is a great system however if used for what it was designed for. Scattering shot is great for birds and other targets that are moving up close to increase the probability of a hit.
If you really want to add additional range and accuracy, why not just use a slug? It'll be more accurate and more reliable. You wouldn't have to second guess what distance you are at and what the pattern will be if needed for surgical work when loved ones are close by the target and the shot has to be taken when milliseconds count. You'll also not have to worry about fliers or plastic wads that could kill or injure a close by loved one . And if you use a slug for that accuracy or try to use any other method to keep the shot together, why not use a rifle that'll actually have less recoil, more capacity, better accuracy, the ability to have faster follow up shots, and quicker reloading with ammunition and or magazines that that aren't so large and clumsy?
It isn't the right tool for the job. Sure it can be jury-rigged to try to almost behave like the right tool, but it's like trying to use a butter knife as a screwdriver. Just get the screwdriver. It'll work better.
There have been many advancements in firearm technology and ammunition over the years. The military and the police have adapted. Entry teams no longer use shotguns as primary CQB weapons. They only use them as breaching tools. Police no longer really use that Remington 870 that used to be in the trunk. They use rifles. But for some reason civilians can't seem to let go and they repeat the myth over and over that the shotgun is the best tool for home defense. It is not. It's a jack of all trades and master of none except of course when used for what it was intended for. (Birds and close moving targets where collateral damage isn't an issue beyond or near the target)
If you really want to add additional range and accuracy, why not just use a slug? It'll be more accurate and more reliable. You wouldn't have to second guess what distance you are at and what the pattern will be if needed for surgical work when loved ones are close by the target and the shot has to be taken when milliseconds count. You'll also not have to worry about fliers or plastic wads that could kill or injure a close by loved one . And if you use a slug for that accuracy or try to use any other method to keep the shot together, why not use a rifle that'll actually have less recoil, more capacity, better accuracy, the ability to have faster follow up shots, and quicker reloading with ammunition and or magazines that that aren't so large and clumsy?
It isn't the right tool for the job. Sure it can be jury-rigged to try to almost behave like the right tool, but it's like trying to use a butter knife as a screwdriver. Just get the screwdriver. It'll work better.
There have been many advancements in firearm technology and ammunition over the years. The military and the police have adapted. Entry teams no longer use shotguns as primary CQB weapons. They only use them as breaching tools. Police no longer really use that Remington 870 that used to be in the trunk. They use rifles. But for some reason civilians can't seem to let go and they repeat the myth over and over that the shotgun is the best tool for home defense. It is not. It's a jack of all trades and master of none except of course when used for what it was intended for. (Birds and close moving targets where collateral damage isn't an issue beyond or near the target)
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HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
I am just happy she got the job done with what she had on hand. The girl is safe, the perp is dead never to repeat his actions again.
A happy ending to a sad situation.
A happy ending to a sad situation.
So, the ingenious machining methods used by Hans Vang are jury-rigged?? Seriously?? Did you even watch the video?? Have you ever taken a defensive (or for that matter gunfighting style) course using the shotgun?
I HAVE a VangComp'ed 870. I have shot it a metric crapton. At 10 yards, with 00 tactical loads, it might as well be a slug. At 25 yds it's a 9" circle, or less. Pump action shotguns are, other than a single or double barrel, extremely reliable. I doubt they've been completely discarded by LE. Military entry teams maybe yes, but they're less concerned with collateral damage, unless the ROE are monumentally restrictive and stupid.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Ok. Enjoy. I prefer a rifled bore compared to a musket.
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Celt
.338 Win Mag
What a great story! My issue is with the criminal justice system that put this devil back into society. I think convicted pedophiles should get life at a minimum or death. Pedophiles have a sickness of the mind that isnt going to be "fixed" by serving 3-5 years. And meanwhile they destroy the lives of children.
Guess we'll agree to disagree.