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Multiple rioters shot in Kenosha by armed citizens.
- Thread starter holdover
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Honestly, I would not know what to do in that situation except force my car around.
I have thought about this, a lot. I know exactly what I would do.
I have run the scenario through my mind many times, I have read up on more laws and regulations, yeah, I know what I will do.
Assuming I can't back up, I think my response would be to keep it moving down the street, slowly creating my own lane. Moving people aside. Also recording with every device capable of doing so, and probably getting on the line with 911. I don't believe that moving at a slow pace through the crowd would be considered an escalation, in spite of the physical contact. The situation is created by the illegal street blocking.
Avoid the ambush or drive/push your way through the kill zone.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Any advice?
Toecutter
.308 Win
My truck is wiring for sound and video from all sides. I know how to use words to manipulate the crowd so they react in a hostile way. I will be scared and the protesters will force me to fear for my life and safety. They will be forced to move out of my way.
I was taught to push through a danger zone. Always push througthe zone of danger and harm.
Is fear for life/safety required to take measures to escape the illegal blockage by pushing thru with a vehicle? That seems like too high a bar. Free passage on public streets is a right shared by all citizens. One shouldn't have to remain trapped by the crowd until their safety is in imminent and obvious danger.
One thing I’ll tell ya is that these people (the drivers) are in their own little world. Despite everything going on, they still don’t think anything bad will ever happen to them.
They drive around with windows open like this is normal. This guy is blocked and surrounded and doesn’t have a care in the world. No heightened defensive posture. Just casually sitting with his windows open. Let’s people walk right up to him.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I can't visualize a good way to push through a crowd in a Civic, or whatever kind of shitbox that guy was in. Maybe back up and go down the street to the right - that looked mostly open.
Imagine the hilarity that would ensue if you got the thing hung up on a rioter,,,er, protester.
Imagine the hilarity that would ensue if you got the thing hung up on a rioter,,,er, protester.
My SUV has an air suspension I can raise it up for more ground clearance... and a big V8 engine. Hope nobody gets in front of me.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
When does blocking traffic cross over into attempted kidnapping or carjacking ?
If someone acosts you and prevents you from leaving, isn’t that kidnapping ?
If they make any move to attempt to remove you from the vehicle, surely thats carjacking.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Even a shitbox subcompact weighs more than a dozen protesters and has enough horsepower to bury them all.
Only way they could stop it would be to flip it over, and if you sit still long enough for them to manage that you deserve what you get.
Elwood
.223 Rem
If you approach my vehicle and your NOT a police officer your risking your chances that things will escalate. You try pulling me from my vehicle and it’s gonna go bad for you quickly. Damage my car in any way shape or form and I damage you.
Maybe not kidnapping but definitely false imprisonment. They aren’t letting you leave an area.
If that happens I will consider it a deadly threat and I will start shooting. I am prepared to do so.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
It would be nice if they got pushed out of the way, but if one of those fat bastards got lodged under the car, I don't think you'd be getting away.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Not sure on legality but personally if I am stuck behind a crowd in a car I will wait. If they start banging on/hitting the car I take this as a violent escalation and would begin driving away, even if people are in the way, albeit slowly. If they start trying to gain access to vehicle/breaking glass, etc. all bets are off. Of course I am filming this all on a dash cam all the time anyway, and would also start filming on phone in case dash cam isn't working or whatever.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Says shots were fired before Kyle began shooting
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Legal analysis of Rittenhouse's charging document.
I wouldn't be a sitting duck. I want to keep moving. I want to be proactive and not wait around for it to intensify. I will drive over curbs, I will drive through peoples front lawns, I will back up or perform a J turn if necessary. This is a maneuver I suggest everyone practices because it will enable you to get away quickly if you are being boxed in. If you wait until you're surrounded it's too late. You may not be able to get away. Your vision will be obstructed. You could drive into another car or object and become trapped. The key is to keep moving and get out of there. Waiting around in a stationary car is not the way to go.
I love that manuver. I have gone through a few EVOC training sessions, all of them were big on this technique. Very easy to learn, practice makes perfect!
I have done it a handful of times in empty parking lots. You're out of there before anyone knows what happened!
The faster the reverse, the better it goes for the driver.
For sure. Too slow and the front end won't come around. You'll just back into something!
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The other cool fact about J turns is that they don’t require a powerful vehicle or anything fancy. Just good rear brakes.
I used to do them in a Suzuki Samurai, probably one of the most notoriously underpowered and unstable vehicle's around.
Just get up to max speed in reverse and flip it around and head out.
That super short wheelbase on the Samurai made it happen incredibly fast. Took some skill to manage the shift in time to make optimum use of the turn.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Us country boys used to do j turns on back roads just for kicks. Then again, we were drifting corners long before drifting became a thing.
Wife and I both have 4x4 so fuck those road blockers. They stand no chance of stopping her Overland or my CUCV. I found a roll of vintage cattle fencing, looks just like razor wire. It'll be on my brush guard. Wonder if local LE will have a problem with that lol.
Wife and I both have 4x4 so fuck those road blockers. They stand no chance of stopping her Overland or my CUCV. I found a roll of vintage cattle fencing, looks just like razor wire. It'll be on my brush guard. Wonder if local LE will have a problem with that lol.
If you watch the video you can see the flesh of his bicep explode in a cloud. That’s not powder/smoke from barrel.