National Reciprocity Bill Will Apply to Non-Resident Gun Carry Permits

[VietnamEraVet]

So, could we see this scenario happening? Upstate NY CCW holders would still be restricted from carrying in NYC, but if those same upstate CCW holders have an out of state CCW (say CT, or PA) permit, then they would be legally able to carry in NYC using their CT (or other state) permit?

I can see the authorities in NYC going out of their fucking minds, and trying all kinds of shit to stop it, and to harass those carrying that way. I'd hate to be the guinea pig, but it seems like it would be a lot of fun to see the authorities squirm, and to hopefully have their heads handed to them.

FUAC!

 

[VietnamEraVet]

If NYC did not allow concealed carry, there would be no reciprocity. The thing is that they do. A citizen of NYC can get a licence. Strings and favors have to be pulled but the ability is there. That person with a NYC license will have reciprocity with CT for example and the CT licensee has to have reciprocity with NYC.

Previously in DC where they banned concealed carry altogether, DC would not have to had recognize someone's out of state permit. But now that they do issue them out, they have to.

The same goes with NJ. The average citizen cannot get one but there is a system for those that show a need.

Seems like the people who cannot even obtain a carry permit in their home state (NJ comes to mind), would be screwed as I am not aware of any other state that will give them a non resident permit if they don't at least have a permit in their home state.

So, you could end up with people from 49 other states carrying in NJ, while the poor schlub living there who can't qualify for a CCW because they are so damn corrupt that they refuse to give him one? From what I've read, it is next to impossible to get a carry permit at all in NJ unless you are retired LEO, or otherwise connected.

 

[Celt]

So, could we see this scenario happening? Upstate NY CCW holders would still be restricted from carrying in NYC, but if those same upstate CCW holders have an out of state CCW (say CT, or PA) permit, then they would be legally able to carry in NYC using their CT (or other state) permit?

I can see the authorities in NYC going out of their fucking minds, and trying all kinds of shit to stop it, and to harass those carrying that way. I'd hate to be the guinea pig, but it seems like it would be a lot of fun to see the authorities squirm, and to hopefully have their heads handed to them.

FUAC!

Imo, Restrictions would have the same force of law in nyc as the rest of the state..... oh yeah, they have none so carry if you want.

 

[Celt]

Seems like the people who cannot even obtain a carry permit in their home state (NJ comes to mind), would be screwed as I am not aware of any other state that will give them a non resident permit if they don't at least have a permit in their home state.

So, you could end up with people from 49 other states carrying in NJ, while the poor schlub living there who can't qualify for a CCW because they are so damn corrupt that they refuse to give him one? From what I've read, it is next to impossible to get a carry permit at all in NJ unless you are retired LEO, or otherwise connected.

This was always my concern too. There must be some states that issue non resident permits to people without a home state permit.

Or, its going to open up many lawsuits that will be easily won forcing the States to become shall issue.

 

[Automan21]

It all sounds well and good but the way the corruption is here us NYC residents will still be screwed.

 

[RBean]

States don't have rights, they have powers. So the question is do states have the (constitutional) power to intentionally deny the enumerated, fundamental, individual rights of the people. Simple answer "NO". Do they have the actual power, yes, until they are stopped. Have state powers been limited or pre-empted by federal statutes. Yes, the list is lengthy. Law enforcement carry (out of state), voting rights act, civil rights act, queer marriage recognition (ct decision), regulation of aviation pre-emption. Do you have the constitutional right to concealed carry? Probably not if you are allowed to open carry. But you do have the right to "bear arms". Allowing neither is a violation of rights. The only reason NY, NJ, Cal. etc have gotten by with this so long is the Judges in those states are products of it political machine. They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. It is going to be interesting.

 

[mreaston]

From the bill: ‘‘(2) The term ‘handgun’ includes any magazine for use in a handgun and any ammunition loaded into the handgun or its magazine."

So I could legally carry a 10+ round mag in NY using my PA non resident permit but as soon as I set it down in my house I would be a felon. Awesome.

If this bill passes, I expect an onslaught of additional time, place, and manner restrictions rolling out of Albany in short order. It will actually be a step backwards for those who currently have unrestricted licenses.

 

[Marine Cpl]

This was always my concern too. There must be some states that issue non resident permits to people without a home state permit.

Or, its going to open up many lawsuits that will be easily won forcing the States to become shall issue.

Florida

 

[Celt]

So anybody that has a hard time getting a permit in your home state can just go get a Florida permit. I foresee a flood of Florida permit applications in the next couple years. In reality I think this will lead two lawsuits against the state that would have federal law behind it to give it some teeth.