New Ruger 5.7

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Let's not forget that the 5.7 has actually been out for some time, realistically gaining no traction (yes both the ps90 and the five seven are pretty costly for pretty much a 22mag)

So this was a very odd choice for Ruger to do, but the price they are bringing this out in is going to be super awesome which should bring ammo cost down (speer is working on a 40g gold dot)

Problem is the 5.7 has gotten this cult like mythos mainly due to MSM and naming the ammo "cop killers" since it can defeat level IIIA body armor, that it's this awesome defense ammo, when in reality its only really good against body armor (its intended role)

And even then, the ammo that can defeat the body armor is not available through normal channels, and I don't even think the good stuff can defeat IIIA out of the pistol, only the rifle. And if you're going for a rifle, lots of stuff can defeat IIIA.

Plus, is IIIA even very common ? I thought most of the time people go right from II to IV. Either you want comfort and conceal ability or you want max threat protection. IIIA says "I think I'm going to face a threat from magnum handguns, but not rifles, and not your common 9mm and .45 rounds.

 

[Edwardteach72]

And even then, the ammo that can defeat the body armor is not available through normal channels, and I don't even think the good stuff can defeat IIIA out of the pistol, only the rifle. And if you're going for a rifle, lots of stuff can defeat IIIA.

Plus, is IIIA even very common ? I thought most of the time people go right from II to IV. Either you want comfort and conceal ability or you want max threat protection. IIIA says "I think I'm going to face a threat from magnum handguns, but not rifles, and not your common 9mm and .45 rounds.

Oh I agree, the problem is most people.dont actually understand the concept behind the 5.7 or HKs 4.6.

Extreme velocity (mainly against russian body armor at the time) from secret squirrel type dudes that need concealment PDW. So the super fast small rounds but high rate of fire and a lot of those rounds hitting target (large capacity low recoil) will have the chance of putting a threat down

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

If I wasn't in PRNY, I'd own a PS90.

Speaking of which I found a local shop very close to me. The owner is pretty cool and was showing me some stuff. I told him I was interested in getting an uzi at some point. He then proceeded to bring out gun after gun after gun from his "back room". Multiple full auto Uzis, MP5s, MACs etc. He even showed me an MP5 SD, HK 91 and... P90. The P90 is a nice little compact gun. Very ergonomic and well balanced. The funny thing about all these guns is there's really nothing special about them. They are exactly like a semi auto clone except for the tiny mechanism that makes them automatic. That day I loathed the NFA/ATF more than ever.

ETA MP5s aren't nearly as expensive as I thought. What you see people selling them online is way too much according to the shop owner. He said if you know where to get them they are right in line with the cost of Uzis.