New York Uses Historic Gun Bans Against Native Americans, Catholics to Justify Current Restrictions in Court Filing

[livingston]

New York Uses Historic Gun Bans Against Native Americans, Catholics to Justify Current Restrictions in Court Filing​

The Empire State believes its gun-carry restrictions are similar to racist gun bans from the past, and that’s why they should be upheld.

New York cited historical bans on gun ownership by Native Americans and Catholics to support its current concealed-carry permitting law. The state argued in a Monday filing its “good moral character” clause, which allows officials to deny permits to those they don’t feel are good people, is rooted in the historical tradition of “Anglo-American” gun regulations. It first pointed to several colonial gun bans as analogous to its own law.

“From the early days of English settlement in America, the colonies sought to prevent Native American tribes from acquiring firearms, passing laws forbidding the sale and trading of arms to Indigenous people,” the filing from the office of Attorney General Letitia James (D.) reads.

New York then cited historical laws in England and America denying people their gun rights based on religion as another example of the tradition its requirement is based in.

“[E]ven after the English Bill of Rights established a right of the people to arm themselves, the right was only given to Protestants, based on a continued belief that Catholics were likely to engage in conduct that would harm themselves or others and upset the peace,” the filing said.

New York Uses Historic Gun Bans Against Native Americans, Catholics to Justify Current Restrictions in Court Filing

The Empire State believes its gun-carry restrictions are similar to racist gun bans from the past, and that’s why they should be upheld.

thereload.com

 

[ManualF150]

That is an interesting way to look at it. Religion or race should be no factor in the 2nd Amendment.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

I could be mistaken, but I also remember seeing a reference to a Texas law which disarmed black people in the brief.

For Catholics, they also used the term 'Papists' which alleges that Catholics are more loyal to the pope that to their nation.

Whatever the specifics, I was incredulous when I was reading it.

 

[livingston]

I could be mistaken, but I also remember seeing a reference to a Texas law which disarmed black people in the brief.

For Catholics, they also used the term 'Papists' which alleges that Catholics are more loyal to the pope that to their nation.

Whatever the specifics, I was incredulous when I was reading it.

Wonder if they will wear the KKK robes when they argue the case in court.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

Wonder if they will wear the KKK robes when they argue the case in court.

Only if Mel Brooks directs the scene.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Nobody should be surprised by this.

 

[DoOver]

Only if Mel Brooks directs the scene.

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Oh lookee here, it wipes off.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[byron]

so if I'm looking at this right they are using old unconstitutional law trying to uphold new unconstitutional laws. that should work

 

[ManualF150]

Wasn't text, history and tradition already discussed? Talk about them people chasin' their tails. Wowzers!

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

When Catholic Churches were getting torched in NYC, the bishop of NY , "Dagger" John, told the Mayor.

"If another church is set afire, we will burn your city from river to river".

Catholic Church burnings ended.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

None of what NY is trying to use was at the time of the founding.

 

[Zerex]

It is simply astonishing, that they openly admit that the SCOTUS ruling does not count, and the US Constitution has no meaning to them.........................only Comrade Hochul's ideas do...80% has no ideas that are her own.

 

[livingston]

It is simply astonishing, that they openly admit that the SCOTUS ruling does not count, and the US Constitution has no meaning to them.........................only Comrade Hochul's ideas do...80% has no ideas that are her own.

They will try all means to circumvent SCOTUS ......This will go on for years....One bill at a time.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Wasn't text, history and tradition already discussed? Talk about them people chasin' their tails. Wowzers!

Looks like slavery and racism is back on the menu, boys!

 

[Phazer]

so if I'm looking at this right they are using old unconstitutional law trying to uphold new unconstitutional laws. that should work

They're saying: See! Bigoted racist rules were used legally in the past. Since that history exists, we should be able to follow in the footsteps of bigoted racist lawmakers to enact our own unconstitutional laws.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Hey! This means we can ban women from voting and holding political office! Thank you, NY!

 

[prambo]

Hey! This means we can ban women from voting and holding political office! Thank you, NY!

I completely agree with the above statement.

Seriously!!

Women should be no where near anything that influences anyone but their own children.

Frankly, women aren't mentally equipped for it, ever.

Wonder if a trans "man", now a "woman", but still sporting their "junk" would qualify?

 

[Saltwater60]

A few things come to mind.
First the separation of church and state
Second the first amendment saying you can’t discriminate on the basis of religion and religious freedoms.
third it’s against the law to discriminate now.
last and most importantly some of the things they are bringing up were before we were a country and prior to the constitution and the second amendment. Are they really this stupid.

 

[Dr. Evil]

A few things come to mind.
First the separation of church and state
Second the first amendment saying you can’t discriminate on the basis of religion and religious freedoms.
third it’s against the law to discriminate now.
last and most importantly some of the things they are bringing up were before we were a country and prior to the constitution and the second amendment. Are they really this stupid.

You forgot the third thing. FUKH.

 

[Michael]

I could be mistaken, but I also remember seeing a reference to a Texas law which disarmed black people in the brief.

For Catholics, they also used the term 'Papists' which alleges that Catholics are more loyal to the pope that to their nation.

Whatever the specifics, I was incredulous when I was reading it.

If I remember correctly, the concealed carry law in Texas was created just after the civil war to keep black people from being able to carry. Smaller handguns we're more expensive, thereby putting them out of financial reach.

so if I'm looking at this right they are using old unconstitutional law trying to uphold new unconstitutional laws. that should work

Typical leftist. I'm surprised they haven't used slavery as a justification for forcing people to wear a mask and get unwanted drugs injected into them for the last two years.

It is simply astonishing, that they openly admit that the SCOTUS ruling does not count, and the US Constitution has no meaning to them.........................only Comrade Hochul's ideas do...80% has no ideas that are her own.

Is it really though? They will throw a fit, stomp their feet, and then use old, illegal, unconstitutional, laws to justify their new, illegal, unconstitutional laws.

 

[Acer-m14]

Govt Massacre .. Gun Confiscation ... NYAG went there .. LOL ..

 

[Acer-m14]

First the separation of church and state

this one really bug the shit out me .. if its so ..

then why do you need a marriage License from the State to get Married ?

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

this one really bug the shit out me .. if its so ..

then why do you need a marriage License from the State to get Married ?

Depends on context.

The declaration of kinship and property rights and, if she cannot be compelled to testify against in you in court, there probably needs some type of formal recording, somewhere. Q.v. what happens to your stuff if you die without a will, while being shacked up with a woman for 50 years. She's probably going to be considered a common law wife in some places.

 

[Acer-m14]

Depends on context.

The declaration of kinship and property rights and, if she cannot be compelled to testify against in you in court, there probably needs some type of formal recording, somewhere. Q.v. what happens to your stuff if you die without a will, while being shacked up with a woman for 50 years. She's probably going to be considered a common law wife in some places.

go to a church to get married .. has nothing to do with the state ..

that separation part .. they say ..

go the the justice of Peace .. to get married .. then the state owns you 2 and your offspring ..


last i knew if you croak with out a will .. the fking state gets its ,,. not your next of kin

 

[nortatoga]

 

[Paxal]

New York Uses Historic Gun Bans Against Native Americans, Catholics to Justify Current Restrictions in Court Filing​

The Empire State believes its gun-carry restrictions are similar to racist gun bans from the past, and that’s why they should be upheld.

New York cited historical bans on gun ownership by Native Americans and Catholics to support its current concealed-carry permitting law. The state argued in a Monday filing its “good moral character” clause, which allows officials to deny permits to those they don’t feel are good people, is rooted in the historical tradition of “Anglo-American” gun regulations. It first pointed to several colonial gun bans as analogous to its own law.

“From the early days of English settlement in America, the colonies sought to prevent Native American tribes from acquiring firearms, passing laws forbidding the sale and trading of arms to Indigenous people,” the filing from the office of Attorney General Letitia James (D.) reads.

New York then cited historical laws in England and America denying people their gun rights based on religion as another example of the tradition its requirement is based in.

“[E]ven after the English Bill of Rights established a right of the people to arm themselves, the right was only given to Protestants, based on a continued belief that Catholics were likely to engage in conduct that would harm themselves or others and upset the peace,” the filing said.

New York Uses Historic Gun Bans Against Native Americans, Catholics to Justify Current Restrictions in Court Filing

The Empire State believes its gun-carry restrictions are similar to racist gun bans from the past, and that’s why they should be upheld.

thereload.com

Just a little outrageous.

 

[Saltwater60]

this one really bug the shit out me .. if its so ..

then why do you need a marriage License from the State to get Married ?

I’m not sure what you’re getting at here because everyone needs a marriage license not just those getting married in a church. It’s a legal document saying you’re legally married now. It’s like signing a car note together it’s a legally binding contract and all contracts have paperwork.

 

[Grimscale]

Are they really this stupid.

Worse.
They are really that stupid, but they are also really that desperate to find ANY means to justify their tyranny.
They know that when all avenues of justification are gone, and they still insist on being tyrants, that the final box will get opened.

I see it as just a matter of time now. They will hold out long enough for the Democrats to try to stack the Supreme Court so as to invalidate the recent rulings then try to claim "see, it's constitutional! our bought-and-paid-for judges said so!".
At that point there will no longer be a Rule of Law, it will be "might makes right". America will end up in a free-for-all of violence.

*note to the FBI/NSA/and whomever in NYS ends up reading this in a misguided attempt to infringe my rights: This is not a threat. This is a prediction.
*Second note to those listed above: Fuck off. It's my RIGHT to speak my mind. If you don't like it, go fuck heil hochul.