Sunshine Patriot
9mm
Some of the comments in that read are interesting.
Not Sure How True This is - Pistol Permit Recertification is Meaningless
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Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
The NY communist party has declared war. Any questions?
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
This is correct. I e talked to a few people recently that didn’t or forgot to recertify and had no issues doing so. I just did mine and it was a joke. All my I for was blank first go around and they had what I entered last time but not my new pistols. I entered them but bought them a while back. They also have you check if you have the semi auto endorsement? Why as this has NOTHING to do with your pistol permit recertification. I’m telling you the rifle endorsement is another database to find out who has what. It boggles my mind almost everyone on here says how easy it is to get and how many have just added it. I will not be adding the semi auto endorsement and when I add more pistols I’m telling them specifically in writing I do not want it.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The recertification process should be on the license authority and not the permit holder anyway. The licensing authority should just run the name in the computer , if no issues , stamp it recertified, and move on to the next one.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
From the permit itself to the bullshit recertification is conceptionally wrong, just fucking wrong. Like two agencies arguing with a tyrant to see which one gets to take your freedom away, and the tyrant just sits and smiles gleefully, mandating that they both have at it.
Robin
Robin
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
If you have a considerable large amount of handguns and or been buying many over the last five years, you find in the recertification, the NYSP has none of these new guns at all and you find yourself being the labor to fill these all in for them. So how can they be determining if you are not leaving one out or making a typo somewhere by accident? If their systems were right, the recertification should of been exactly showing what they think you have.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Fr
Wait until they ban semi auto rifles in NYS because it’s coming. If the CCIA stands in full it will come quickly if not it might be some time but it will come. Also depends on the Supreme Court and 2024 election IMO.
from what I have heard of you make a mistake they reject it so they must know. You’re right you’re the labor for them to track and verify you. Sounds like nazi Germany more and more every day.
Wait until they ban semi auto rifles in NYS because it’s coming. If the CCIA stands in full it will come quickly if not it might be some time but it will come. Also depends on the Supreme Court and 2024 election IMO.
Hochulsucks1234
.44 mag
I think I mentioned this on a post a while back. Buddy of mine who has had a permit 20 years now never recertified after 2013 and still hasn't. He has no computer or smartphone. He still has his permit to this day. Not sure what would happen if he tried to add a new gun, but as far as he is concerned he is still a legal permit holder.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
My former wife moved out of state 6 years ago, has never rectified her 20 year pistol permit, and county clerk said it's still a valid license.
You see the State's system was so fucked up and years behind so they wrote this "recertification" shit into Law, demanding that WE disclose the Handguns we have, and even with that they still haven't kept up with the P-12 forms that Dealers use every time a handgun comes in or goes out of their possession, so one pistol is going to have a least two forms generated on it that are sent to the SP.
There shouldn't even be a recertification process. Once you have your permit(which shouldn't even be necessary) it's yours until you do something that gets it revoked. The county or state shouldn't be running any checks on you unless you're arrested for something.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
That’s what they would be checking for during the recertification. There is no automatic alarm ( that I know of ) if a permit holder gets arrested or other action like an order of protection especially if it’s an out of state arrest. And especially if fingerprints aren’t sent in.
So the license authority just runs the name in the computer which is just checking for active warrants , new arrests and orders of protect . Nothing , move on to the next name . That simple . No contact with the permit holder unless something is wrong .
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The licensing officials are supposed to running the name’s periodically anyway . Go see what is happening downstate . They have RENEWALS and not recerts. They have fill out a new application every three years .
And if you are angry over cops and their exceptions to some of the gun laws, you really should be angry about how a NYC permit is good in the entire state , but most permits are no good in NYC.
And by the way, CCIA took away some gun carrying abilities from retired peace officers . Did it help you ?
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Sunshine Patriot
9mm
When I began this thread I knew the opinions here would vary. I respect the opinions and comments of many here. The comments in this thread as should be, are many different opinions. But...my question is, is the certification legal or not? Are there any lawyers here? Is there any written law regarding the legality of recertification?
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
I think I posted about it here, but when I did the recert, the SP had made all sorts of changes that are different than what is stated on the permit.
*edit* found it Permit Recertificaion
spat
.700 Nitro Express
That would defeat the whole purpose of the process (which is to reduce the number of legal gun owners).
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
I pondered this... maybe the recert was so NYS or the feds would be able to keep track of a persons guns after he/she died. If a gun owner doesn't recertify then maybe they figure said gun owner kicked the bucket, and NYS and or the feds want to track down the next of kin or heir to the estate.
The only reason an upstate permit isn't good in NYC is because nobody has been caught or if they were they didn't have the balls or money to fight it. There's no way that would stand in today's court - even with a libtard judge. It's discrimination based on where you live and this is the only state that does that which goes against tradition because people weren't banned from carrying based on what city they were in.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Their true intention maybe . The stated intention to justify it is to keep it out the hands of criminals. And just to let you know, they run cops names for such all the time in addition to a “hit” notice to his agency if he or she has fingerprints sent in— ie if they are arrested - automatically.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
That’s basically what recert or should be is on the part of the license holder . And what I said is exactly that . The recert falls on the license authority to run the name and see if they are still eligible for a firearm — it should be a requirement on them , not us. A lot of places do this all the time , periodically run the names and we know never know it unless there is a problem
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I'd be surprised if the stated purpose for even 10% of rules and legislation matched the real one.
It's more sinister than that.
They already know what you have. They are using this as a means to test you on how much oppression you'll endure.
Those who lie get a closer look, and probably added to a list somewhere of who to pick up first.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I wish that were true. There were a few cases years ago that upheld the law but it was pre-Heller. FPC and GOA have the resources and there are plenty of potential plaintiffs upstate. Maybe they will do it .
Re-Cert is Data collection. I know many people (Old-timers) that still today have no clue about the Re-Cert process. They don't give a fuck and in reality I would be willing to bet thousands among thousands don't either in this State. It's all for Data collection outside of the permit process. Illegal as fuck!
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
I skimmed thru this thread. My feeling is the WHOLE handgun permit deal in NY is unconstitutional, illegal, a registry, etc., etc. The recert process is propping up an illegal "license".
Oh, remember in the CCIA is the provision that every handgun permit holder is to go thru a monthly background check. The millions of bucks for the "system" in NY's budget should help implement that. Hochul was touting that on one of the last websites with her mugshot (I wish) on top.
Oh, remember in the CCIA is the provision that every handgun permit holder is to go thru a monthly background check. The millions of bucks for the "system" in NY's budget should help implement that. Hochul was touting that on one of the last websites with her mugshot (I wish) on top.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yes it’s a law. The only punishment I know of and have read about is if you don’t do it your permit gets revoked/suspended.
Pistol Permit Recertification
ManualF150
.308 Win
Which then the gustapo comes and takes ALL your guns.Yes it’s a law. The only punishment I know of and have read about is if you don’t do it your permit gets revoked/suspended.
Pistol Permit Recertification
gunsafety.ny.gov
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
... if they come and take all 12 of my guns, how many guns will I have left?
40. I'll have 40 left, because I lied about having 12.
Them are rookie numbers, you got to catch up.