NRA Files lawsuit

[Cooolone]

This is my opinion, and only my opinion. If an individual makes an obvious and credible threat to public safety, I think he should have his firearms confiscated, if any, until such time as his due process rights and innocence can be argued in a court of law. That is the current unfortunate condition we live in.

Really? So citizens face the loss of their "Rights" based upon what? Who decides what is a "real" threat that is a violation of law. And how does an individual lose his "Rights" absent a conviction. The "Rights" and individual is "entitled" to just don't go away because of expediency or sensitivity of the potential crime.

Quite honestly, I see little difference nowadays between someone making a credible threat on social media, and intentionally pointing a gun at someone, which is reckless endangerment.

Unfortunately, there is a very "HUGE" difference between speech and action! Speech can be misinterpreted very easily. Pointing a gun at someone is a clear and viable threat!

If someone points a gun at you, are you going to defend them by giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were never going to pull the trigger? You don't think that the police should be called and a crime reported? You don't think that the person should be arrested? What about their weapons? In my youth, we didn't have social media. We had face to face social interactions. Then again, we didn't walk into schools shooting each other either.

There are laws in the books regarding social media, apply the law. Every individual has the "Right" to a jury trial for any alleged crime and upon "conviction" then do what the law allows. Likewise, if the person represents a credible threat to himself or others, there are laws that can be applied. But the slipstream process of losing your "Rights" based upon allegations is unacceptable! We see so much of it today, especially with this "Me Too" movement, it's sad... Just wait for the backlash!

Allow me to clarify my hasty phone post. I think that if someone, for instance, posts something along the lines of a threat, like a school shooting, on social media, and someone sees and reports it, it should be investigated by the police. If the threat is obvious, say a plainly visible post on facebook, for all the world to see, and not simply hearsay, then that evidence should be brought to a judge's attention by the police, and a search warrant obtained. If, in fact, the individual in question is in possession of a weapon that would substantiate the threat, an arrest should be made, and it should be confiscated in accordance with the search warrant and/or other orders by a judge of competent jurisdiction until such time as the person is arraigned, or has their day in court, as the case may be and as the judge sees fit to rule, and if a judge orders it, or if found innocent, their weapon(s) returned. By the same token, if I pointed a firearm at someone and threatened to kill them, for no justifiable reason, I would fully expect to be arrested and my firearm confiscated, at the very least for evidence purposes, until I had my day in court. I think that that is as fair as due process can make it.

I do think these are very sad and unfortunate times. Kids are being shot in schools. Threats to commit those acts should be taken very seriously. More seriously than the FBI took them in Fla. I have grandchildren in schools. That's the last phone call I ever want to receive.

OK, so if I blast on social media I'm going to a big party, and driving there... Can my vehicles be confiscated based upon the "Minority Report" predictability of a supposed crime which "may" be committed (DWI)?

This post is more in line with reality and what should happen, but the post on social media isn't enough most of the time to create or justify a "reasonable suspicion", and a search warrant to "fish" for credibility of being able to carry out a threat is a huge stretch!

Nobody likes or condones the mental miget miscreants who carry out these evil deeds, no more than those terrorist who flew planes into those towers, but that doesn't mean our system should be dismantled for contemporary convenience. Unfortunate as it may be...

Florida is a great example of how the system fails... So if we institute the relaxed constitutional protections as you suggest to prevent future occurances like Florida, what do we do next when that fails? Where does the slippery slope bottom out? So you see... That funny little thing called the "Bill of Rights" remains and shall remain, or it all means nothing! Despite whatever current events and emotional hysteria might lend to thinking otherwise.

Regards!

 

[Shadow2]

one definition that i have found on the subject:
IC 34-26-6-2 “Credible threat of violence” defined
Sec. 2. As used in this chapter, “credible threat of violence” means a knowing and willful statement or course of conduct that does not serve a legitimate purpose and that causes a reasonable person to fear for the person's safety or for the safety of the person's immediate family.

Allot of "does not serve legitimate purpose" "causes a reasonable person" .... reasonable to whom ... me or a snowflake? Laws like these are dangerous and tend to be full of ambiguity which can and will be abused.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Hey NRA where the hell were you for us when we needed you?


Maybe if safe act never happened it wouldn't have opened the door for other states to start incrementally limiting rights .

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Really? So citizens face the loss of their "Rights" based upon what? Who decides what is a "real" threat that is a violation of law. And how does an individual lose his "Rights" absent a conviction. The "Rights" and individual is "entitled" to just don't go away because of expediency or sensitivity of the potential crime.




Unfortunately, there is a very "HUGE" difference between speech and action! Speech can be misinterpreted very easily. Pointing a gun at someone is a clear and viable threat!



There are laws in the books regarding social media, apply the law. Every individual has the "Right" to a jury trial for any alleged crime and upon "conviction" then do what the law allows. Likewise, if the person represents a credible threat to himself or others, there are laws that can be applied. But the slipstream process of losing your "Rights" based upon allegations is unacceptable! We see so much of it today, especially with this "Me Too" movement, it's sad... Just wait for the backlash!



OK, so if I blast on social media I'm going to a big party, and driving there... Can my vehicles be confiscated based upon the "Minority Report" predictability of a supposed crime which "may" be committed (DWI)?

This post is more in line with reality and what should happen, but the post on social media isn't enough most of the time to create or justify a "reasonable suspicion", and a search warrant to "fish" for credibility of being able to carry out a threat is a huge stretch!

Nobody likes or condones the mental miget miscreants who carry out these evil deeds, no more than those terrorist who flew planes into those towers, but that doesn't mean our system should be dismantled for contemporary convenience. Unfortunate as it may be...

Florida is a great example of how the system fails... So if we institute the relaxed constitutional protections as you suggest to prevent future occurances like Florida, what do we do next when that fails? Where does the slippery slope bottom out? So you see... That funny little thing called the "Bill of Rights" remains and shall remain, or it all means nothing! Despite whatever current events and emotional hysteria might lend to thinking otherwise.

Regards!

Yeh, well, here's the good news. In the grand scheme of things, my opinion doesn't mean jack shit, and I'm not naive enough to think it does. Soon me and my baby boomer generation will all be dead, and then you and your generation can carry on the fight all by yourselves as you see fit. Best of luck.

 

[RDN]

I don't belong to NRA anymore. They know when they call me.... I tell them Cuomo is Gov in NYS where I live and we are a LOST CAUSE with him, get RID of Cuomo and I'll join again.

The NRA abandoned New York long long before Cuomo. They were once HQed in NY, then they moved to Virgina. Ironic how now VA is starting to elect gun-grabbing polls. (even tried to get Hillary in) I just renewed my membership. NRA is a good organization. They need member support.

Gun-grabbing "Dark Sided" liberal media has used school shooting to their advantage. GOP in FL. has buckled under liberal hysteria.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The NRA abandoned New York long long before Cuomo.

NRA is a good organization. They need member support.

I don't understand. I'm seeing you contradict yourself.

 

[Phazer]

NRA files federal lawsuit challenging Florida's new gun-safety bill

Here's the text of the suit. It makes sense and is very easy to read.

 

[Cooolone]

Yeh, well, here's the good news. In the grand scheme of things, my opinion doesn't mean jack shit, and I'm not naive enough to think it does. Soon me and my baby boomer generation will all be dead, and then you and your generation can carry on the fight all by yourselves as you see fit. Best of luck.

Hahahaha so presumptuous! "You and your" generation huh? Assume much? I don't ever give my correct age or birth date online, so not sure if you looked at my profile, LMAO, but I'm a tail end of the baby boomer generation as well. So calm down with that one. Difference maybe is I'm ok with fighting to leave the place in better shape than I found it, than leaving it shitty and saying good luck with that!

Opinions are valued, especially those in contrast or opposition to our own. Debate is healthy and nourishes knowledge... It creates understanding and even tolerance. I never shy away from offering my opinion or debating a position, let alone when faced with opposition. I will argue even when I'm agreement to test your mettle and how much you know about what you say, and how steadfast you are to support your position.

@RDN
If the NRA is a good organization, for my education, can you please provide an example of what they're accomplished regarding protecting the 2nd for us NY'ers specifically? Not being an assistant, I really want to know! Outside their adverts and glossy pamphlets saying this or that... What have they done fightingghting the fight?

 

[SmallGameAddict]

We did leave the place better than we found it. Look at how much handgun carry has expanded since the 1970's, for example. My goal as a teenager was to make sure my kids had the right to purchase a firearm when they got old enough. Never imagined so many Americans would be so willing to give up their rights so readily in the name of security.

I will readily admit I get disgusted, when I read a lot of posts on here, ppl bitching about this and that. A lot of me me me. We are all in this together. A lot of hard work by a lot of ppl, including those who actually participate in the process and vote, got us where we are today. I never cast an anti 2A vote in my life. We both know without that hard work, handguns and so-called 'assault weapons' would have been outlawed long ago.

Somewhere out there, I hope there is a Constitutionally viable solution to help curb these school shootings. Ppl who abuse our freedom are making us look worse than ever.

We need a winning pro-active strategy, and fast.

Please accept my apologies for my presumption of your age.

Hahahaha so presumptuous! "You and your" generation huh? Assume much? I don't ever give my correct age or birth date online, so not sure if you looked at my profile, LMAO, but I'm a tail end of the baby boomer generation as well. So calm down with that one. Difference maybe is I'm ok with fighting to leave the place in better shape than I found it, than leaving it shitty and saying good luck with that!

Opinions are valued, especially those in contrast or opposition to our own. Debate is healthy and nourishes knowledge... It creates understanding and even tolerance. I never shy away from offering my opinion or debating a position, let alone when faced with opposition. I will argue even when I'm agreement to test your mettle and how much you know about what you say, and how steadfast you are to support your position.

@RDN
If the NRA is a good organization, for my education, can you please provide an example of what they're accomplished regarding protecting the 2nd for us NY'ers specifically? Not being an assistant, I really want to know! Outside their adverts and glossy pamphlets saying this or that... What have they done fightingghting the fight?

 

[stuck in ny]

If the NRA were cops, they would flee a murder scene to go hunt expired inspection stickers.
NY=murder scene; FL=inspection

 

[RDN]

Hahahaha so presumptuous! "You and your" generation huh? Assume much? I don't ever give my correct age or birth date online, so not sure if you looked at my profile, LMAO, but I'm a tail end of the baby boomer generation as well. So calm down with that one. Difference maybe is I'm ok with fighting to leave the place in better shape than I found it, than leaving it shitty and saying good luck with that!

Opinions are valued, especially those in contrast or opposition to our own. Debate is healthy and nourishes knowledge... It creates understanding and even tolerance. I never shy away from offering my opinion or debating a position, let alone when faced with opposition. I will argue even when I'm agreement to test your mettle and how much you know about what you say, and how steadfast you are to support your position.

@RDN
If the NRA is a good organization, for my education, can you please provide an example of what they're accomplished regarding protecting the 2nd for us NY'ers specifically? Not being an assistant, I really want to know! Outside their adverts and glossy pamphlets saying this or that... What have they done fightingghting the fight?

I re-joined NRA cause the have other good services for gun owners.
As I've said the NRA has basically abandon NY in our gun rights fight. The other NY pro gun advocate group is New York State Rifle and Pistol Association (NYSPRA). They've also done very little for gun owners here. Basically yes NY is a lost cause for gun rights. Your at the mercy of criminals and 911. Best just to move to a freedom state. I've already move my "evil black firearms" to my 2nd home where they're safe for now.

 

[RDN]

I don't understand. I'm seeing you contradict yourself.

Not really a contradiction. I've also abandon NY in regard of gun rights along with a thousand other reasons. Right now my focus is getting my situation together and moving out of this state. The gangs (MS-13), corrupt polls and criminals have taken over

In nature - When a habitat become too hostile and environment unlivable - migration is only logical.