NRA Shits The Bed and Folds

GuyMontag · Oct 11, 2017

I'm truly heartened by the number of Road to Damascus-like conversions I'm seeing in this thread, the NRA fanboys are suddenly a lot less willing to toe the party line, 2012 seems like a distant memory. Quite a different tune a LOT of guys are now singing since SAFE, I can only hope everyone who had enough of the NRA's bullshit writes a check to GOA, where you can be sure your contribution won't EVER go towards supporting more gun control laws.

Phazer · Oct 11, 2017

spat said:
The law says full auto is more than one firing per trigger pull. Bump stocks let you pull the trigger faster. They work around the law exactly the same way as other compliance mods.

Nope, the proposed law (see attached) says:

to prohibit the manufacture,
possession, or transfer of any part or combination
of parts that is designed and functions to increase
the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not
convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, and
for other purposes.

Watch how fast that will be used to:

Limit trigger pull weights (to >12 pounds)
Ban all match triggers with short resets
Ban standard-capacity magazines (which speed reloading)
Ban speed reloaders for revolvers
Ban stripper clips
Eventually eliminate all semi-automatic firearms (which can all fire "too fast.")

NirvanaFan · Oct 11, 2017

Keep giving an inch and eventually you will have given a mile. Do you really think the anti-gunners will stop at simple bump fire stocks? Of course not. They're going to go after drum mags, then eventually 30 rounders. Then they'll go after pistols with more than 10 rounds. Then they'll go after 50 cal. It's not going to stop. Why let them get any sort of momentum? It's exactly like giving into a kid when they have a temper tantrum, "OK, Little Johnny, you can have this sucker just this one time if you will stop crying."

Phazer · Oct 11, 2017

I just got called by an NRA "paid solicitor" again, today. I thought that they'd stopped calling me after I hung up on them over 100 times in the last few months. I added all of those numbers to my block list. But, they are persistent bastards and they keep using different numbers.

The NRA spends more on advertising and solicitation than on doing anything productive...as far as I can tell.

spat · Oct 11, 2017

Phazer said:
Nope, the proposed law (see attached) says:

to prohibit the manufacture,
possession, or transfer of any part or combination
of parts that is designed and functions to increase
the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but does not
convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun, and
for other purposes.

Watch how fast that will be used to:

Limit trigger pull weights (to >12 pounds)

Ban all match triggers with short resets

Ban standard-capacity magazines (which speed reloading)

Ban speed reloaders for revolvers

Ban stripper clips

Eventually eliminate all semi-automatic firearms (which can all fire "too fast.")

I was talking about existing law.

I know the only way they can ban bumpfires is to pass some ridiculously overbroad monstrosity.

Acer-m14 · Oct 12, 2017

what if i shoot so much my trigger spring n sear wear and now my semi is faster then when i got it .. Fk them all ..

Robin · Oct 12, 2017

Haven't paid dues to the NRA since the SAFE act. I think its time to renew.
Robin

ManrisFrack · Oct 12, 2017

Robin said:
Haven't paid dues to the NRA since the SAFE act. I think its time to renew.
Robin

I struggled with this because you certainly can't change the NRA from the outside. But to my knowledge they haven't come out against this bill. I went with the lifetime membership in GOA instead.

Robin · Oct 12, 2017

I don't know much about GOA. I'm sure they are a fine organization. Like any individual, like any organization, I don't always fully agree with their opinion or stance on a given subject, and being human or staffed by humans, will make mistakes. In the case of the NRA that is easily shown to be true, but as I have said before, if not for that association we most probably would not be having a conversation about guns today because the second amendment would have already been gutted enough to where only a select few, those with pull and or money, would be able to enjoy that particular freedom as spelled out in our constitution.
I have to wonder the motives of people that want to tear down the most effective force in the preservation of our right to keep and bear arms. I trust the NRA is dedicated to fighting for that right, the naysayers, not at all.
Robin

ManrisFrack · Oct 12, 2017

I'm not convinced that the NRA's "mistakes" are all honest. After all, we weren't discussing where our money should go 6 months ago.

On the other hand, who's to say GOA doesn't allow gun-control to survive out of self interest too? At the end of the day, the NRA's power and influence isn't something to be dismissed. Maybe it's better to have a vote in directing that power rather than letting it wither and die.

1911guy · Oct 12, 2017

I heard (I don't recall from where) that NRA is not backing a ban on bump stocks, but advocating the ATF should regulate them. Anyone else hear that?

ManrisFrack · Oct 12, 2017

1911guy said:
I heard (I don't recall from where) that NRA is not backing a ban on bump stocks, but advocating the ATF should regulate them. Anyone else hear that?

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but their statement is in this thread (Page 2, Post #43). That's essentially what was said. But, so far they've been silent on the current bills that seek to ban rate of fire increasing devices - which potentially includes custom triggers, muzzle breaks, balancing weights and so on and so forth.

NirvanaFan · Oct 12, 2017

Phazer said:
I just got called by an NRA "paid solicitor" again, today. I thought that they'd stopped calling me after I hung up on them over 100 times in the last few months. I added all of those numbers to my block list. But, they are persistent bastards and they keep using different numbers.

The NRA spends more on advertising and solicitation than on doing anything productive...as far as I can tell.

It does make sense for them though. If they spend $1 million to get $1.25 million, they just increased their funds by $.25 million. Those telephone calls and mailers actually do work to bring in more money than they cost.

nortatoga · Oct 12, 2017

NirvanaFan said:
It does make sense for them though. If they spend $1 million to get $1.25 million, they just increased their funds by $.25 million. Those telephone calls and mailers actually do work to bring in more money than they cost.

More as those calling services only get a % of new and renewal members.

ManrisFrack · Oct 12, 2017

Did they (NRA) bump membership fees recently? Seems to be about double for a lifetime from a year or two ago, as I recall.

enigma · Oct 13, 2017

NRA opposes bump-stock ban: NRA balks at bipartisan plans to ban 'bump stock' devices

Robin · Oct 13, 2017

Blah blah blah blah, They haven't changed their stance. You are so blinded by your irrational hatred for that organization you can't see the truth.
Robin

kev74 · Oct 13, 2017

Darth said:
So, how long before this blows over and we are back to "well, they gave my range a couple boxes of clays, and they taught a basic handgun course to my wife, so I continue to support them" crowd returns? A month?

Don't worry. We're still here.

Robin · Oct 13, 2017

Yet, another non sequitur. Tsk,tsk.
Robin

Robin · Oct 14, 2017

Is that a twofer, or would I actually be paying for the hat? Second thought, No deal, I like it when things go astray, better than cable TV!
Robin

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