Nuclear War..Is That Where We Are Headed?

[Foxtrapper]

If one was to listen to Alex Jones, or read the many internet articles about impending doom, we could easily come to the conclusion that war is here, and happening now..

Putin warns danger looms over the whole world due to Russia & U.S. tension – EU rejects sanctions idea against Russia

Nuclear Conflict, Deception or Real Threat? Pentagon: A 'Preemptive' Nuclear Strike against Russia is Still Valid - Going Beyond Propaganda. | War and Conflict

https://thelastgreatstand.com/2016/10/09/possibility-nuclear-war-real-now-cold-war-video/

These are just a few of the articles making the rounds. I listened to Alex Jones yesterday, and he stated that the US has declared war on Russia, and he outlined his proof for that statement. It almost made sense, in fact, it made more sense than i'd like to admit. If even half of what these people are saying comes true, we are in for one heck of a ride. Strap in and get prepared, it's gonna be a bumpy ride..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I have been reading a lot (probably too much) alrernative media stories lately. Steve quayle, Alex jones, wikileaks, shtfplan, survivalblog and others... The more I read the less crazy it sounds and the more concerned I am.

If you have not read up on what is going on you honestly owe it to yourself to.

Things are VERY not good right now. no bueno.

We really are provoking the hell out of Russia and they are taking it seriously. I'm in my 30s and the past 30 days is probably the closest in my lifetime to nuclear war.

I really feel like a lot of what is going on between us and Russia and the proxy war in Syria is being driven by the shadow government over election fears. They do not want trump to win, so they keep doubling down on their lies and are willing to kill millions or billions of people to make it so.

If the potential war goes larger than just an extremely limited usage of tactical nukes, I'm toast, literally. I live 15 miles from buffalo so I'll be dead. Here's to hoping the ruskies would be content to just take out our military and power grid....

There are so many extremely alarming stories out there if you look. You will have to sift through about 2463346648 layers of crap to get there, but the stories are all there to read about how close we are to ww3. But hey did you know trump grabbed her by the pu55y???!!! Outrageous!

 

[Snappo]

If USSR and USA didn't nuke each other when they each had 31,500 nukes active; then they won't nuke each other when they have 7,500 nukes active. I'm not worried about it. Even if you have only a few hundred nukes in your country, it's still mutually assured destruction.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

If USSR and USA didn't nuke each other when they each had 31,500 nukes active; then they won't nuke each other when they have 7,500 nukes active. I'm not worried about it. Even if you have only a few hundred nukes in your country, it's still mutually assured destruction.

I think MAD only worked in the cold war because there were rational leaders involved.

I think some of the people pushing for this now honestly want the US destroyed. It is much more unpredictable than during the cold war.

I think there is a very evil group that honestly wants us to get destroyed. The US and Russia are the 2 biggest obstacle of one world government. If the shadow government sets us up to take each other out. The globalists win and we lose.

As insane as it sounds it's entirely possible and from what I've read even a likely scenario being fought behind the scenes at the highest levels right now.

Here's a story from yesterday
This Is The Brink Of World War: “Hostilities Have Commenced… There Is Little Time Before The Missiles Begin To Fly”

 

[meketrefe]

Cold war paranoia again.
Same fear mongering, different time period.

 

[livingston]

Obama's BBF ... (Iran ) ... Will be the cause of the next Nuke war. ... Russia understands how damaging a war would be . A holy war will be the start of an exchange ... Years later the history books will of how Obama ruined mankind when writing about the after affects

 

[Mosinitis]

The reason for current tensions is the cold war apparatus (NATO, CIA, ...etc.) that needs such tensions to justify its budget and existence. Sabre rattling comes from the West and Russians are pushing back. We also violated the agreement we made with them, not to expend NATO east towards their boarder. This was one of the conditions under which they pulled their troops out of East Germany. Since then NATO absorbed all of the Easter Europe and even former territory of the Soviet Union. As if this wasn't enough, we staged color revolutions, creating hostile states on their former territory. Russians believe they were naive and we took advantage and if they don't push back, they are not going to have a country.

 

[Snappo]

I think MAD only worked in the cold war because there were rational leaders involved.

I think some of the people pushing for this now honestly want the US destroyed. It is much more unpredictable than during the cold war.

I think there is a very evil group that honestly wants us to get destroyed. The US and Russia are the 2 biggest obstacle of one world government. If the shadow government sets us up to take each other out. The globalists win and we lose.

As insane as it sounds it's entirely possible and from what I've read even a likely scenario being fought behind the scenes at the highest levels right now.

Here's a story from yesterday
This Is The Brink Of World War: “Hostilities Have Commenced… There Is Little Time Before The Missiles Begin To Fly”

I think MAD only worked in the cold war because there were rational leaders involved.

I think some of the people pushing for this now honestly want the US destroyed. It is much more unpredictable than during the cold war.

I think there is a very evil group that honestly wants us to get destroyed. The US and Russia are the 2 biggest obstacle of one world government. If the shadow government sets us up to take each other out. The globalists win and we lose.

As insane as it sounds it's entirely possible and from what I've read even a likely scenario being fought behind the scenes at the highest levels right now.

Here's a story from yesterday
This Is The Brink Of World War: “Hostilities Have Commenced… There Is Little Time Before The Missiles Begin To Fly”

I think MAD only worked in the cold war because there were rational leaders involved.

I think some of the people pushing for this now honestly want the US destroyed. It is much more unpredictable than during the cold war.

I think there is a very evil group that honestly wants us to get destroyed. The US and Russia are the 2 biggest obstacle of one world government. If the shadow government sets us up to take each other out. The globalists win and we lose.

As insane as it sounds it's entirely possible and from what I've read even a likely scenario being fought behind the scenes at the highest levels right now.

Here's a story from yesterday
This Is The Brink Of World War: “Hostilities Have Commenced… There Is Little Time Before The Missiles Begin To Fly”

1) Russia trades with USA. They want us around. They sell $12B a year of goods and buy $28B a year of goods. Not a ton but would still trash their GDP and cause job losses.
Foreign Trade - U.S. Trade with Russia
2) This "one world government" need to buy food and goods from somewhere. Removing the largest economy and greatest manufacturing and agriculture engine from the world would destroy every other country. Billions would starve to death the very first year USA disappeared.
Data and Statistics | USDA
3) Every other stock exchange is beholden to the NYSE and NASDAQ such that every other economy would fail if USA and USSR disappeared.
NYSE: Transactions, Statistics and Data Library
4) The amount of nuclear weapons needed to take out USA and USSR is so large that there would be no way to avoid nuclear winter; which would damage every other country on the planet. They couldn't take up the slack of losing agriculture in USA if there is no sunlight.
Nuclear winter - Wikipedia
5) Conspiracy Theorism indicates a psychological disorder and is diagnosable and treatable. This does not mean there can never be a conspiracy among humans, but rather that most are caused by delusion and are not founded in reality. Shadow governments, new world orders, 911 being an inside job, etc. clearly indicates a break from reality in the person that believes that shit.
The Psychology of Conspiracy and Cover-Ups

 

[tirwin1]

I don't think nuclear war is inevitable. This is saber rattling by Putin to get obama to back down. Which he will as he has done every other time.

 

[Snappo]

I don't think nuclear war is inevitable. This is saber rattling by Putin to get obama to back down. Which he will as he has done every other time.

Obama is like Jimmy Carter. He thinks he can talk his way out of everything. Probably never got his ass kicked in a school yard. Maybe then he'd have realized some people just cannot be reasoned with.

 

[Mosinitis]

I don't think nuclear war is inevitable. This is saber rattling by Putin to get obama to back down. Which he will as he has done every other time.

Bullshit. We were encroaching on their country for 25 years. At some point it should be expected they will push back.
On a different note. What the hell are we doing in Syria? Why are we arming AlQaeda? Did 9/11 mean anything?

 

[Snappo]

Bullshit. We were encroaching on their country for 25 years. At some point it should be expected they will push back.
On a different note. What the hell are we doing in Syria? Why are we arming AlQaeda? Did 9/11 mean anything?

We aren't encroaching on them - quite to the contrary it's the other way around. They land-grabbed after WW II before anyone could say whether or not they wanted to be grabbed. You think all those countries surrounding Russia wanted to suddenly become part of USSR? That's why they pushed so hard to Berlin. They knew they wanted to do an illegal grab of other country's land. And I read Russia worked out some sneaky bullshit plan like that with Churchill. Fuck Putin.
Percentages agreement - Wikipedia

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

1) Russia trades with USA. They want us around. They sell $12B a year of goods and buy $28B a year of goods. Not a ton but would still trash their GDP and cause job losses.
Foreign Trade - U.S. Trade with Russia
2) This "one world government" need to buy food and goods from somewhere. Removing the largest economy and greatest manufacturing and agriculture engine from the world would destroy every other country. Billions would starve to death the very first year USA disappeared.
Data and Statistics | USDA
3) Every other stock exchange is beholden to the NYSE and NASDAQ such that every other economy would fail if USA and USSR disappeared.
NYSE: Transactions, Statistics and Data Library
4) The amount of nuclear weapons needed to take out USA and USSR is so large that there would be no way to avoid nuclear winter; which would damage every other country on the planet. They couldn't take up the slack of losing agriculture in USA if there is no sunlight.
Nuclear winter - Wikipedia
5) Conspiracy Theorism indicates a psychological disorder and is diagnosable and treatable. This does not mean there can never be a conspiracy among humans, but rather that most are caused by delusion and are not founded in reality. Shadow governments, new world orders, 911 being an inside job, etc. clearly indicates a break from reality in the person that believes that shit.
The Psychology of Conspiracy and Cover-Ups

I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. There is no actual evidence of it.

But,

There really is a shadow government which controls way more than we realize.

Here is a recent example, thanks wikileaks....
New FBI Docs Reveal 'Shadow Government' Protected Hillary in Email Investigation


In my opinion it's not just as simple to say we trade together so there won't be a war.

There really are forces behind the scenes that we may not be aware of.

I think Obama is a communist globalist plant put in place to weaken our country. Is that crazy? Perhaps on the surface it sure sounds like it is.

But look at his actions and what he is done through the lens of him trying to weaken our country and maybe they will make more sense.

Obama isn't incompetent, he is very intelligent and cunning. He has done exactly what he has wanted to, we just don't want to believe it.

 

[Snappo]

I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. There is no actual evidence of it.

But,

There really is a shadow government which controls way more than we realize.

Here is a recent example, thanks wikileaks....
New FBI Docs Reveal 'Shadow Government' Protected Hillary in Email Investigation


In my opinion it's not just as simple to say we trade together so there won't be a war.

I have a buddy that I have worked with for 20 years. The guy swears up and down 911 was an inside fix. People like that are insane and need a good head shrink. There is no "shadow government" but I think the world knows that the international bankers that control the wealth of the world have a lot of pull. But they don't care who gets in as long as those political parties will do their will. That's not conspiracy - that's just fact. But I don't blame them. If I was worth $50 billion you can damn sure count on the fact that I would expect everyone to bend to my will. I would expect people to jump when I said jump and ask me "how high?".

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I have a buddy that I have worked with for 20 years. The guy swears up and down 911 was an inside fix. People like that are insane and need a good head shrink. There is no "shadow government" but I think the world knows that the international bankers that control the wealth of the world have a lot of pull. But they don't care who gets in as long as those political parties will do their will. That's not conspiracy - that's just fact. But I don't blame them. If I was worth $50 billion you can damn sure count on the fact that I would expect everyone to bend to my will. I would expect people to jump when I said jump and ask me "how high?".

I can agree with most of that. I still think there is a shadow government though...

 

[Greywolf224]

No winners in a Nuke war and both sides know that. I am only afraid of the third world countries who believe in dyeing for Allah!

 

[Mosinitis]

We aren't encroaching on them - quite to the contrary it's the other way around. They land-grabbed after WW II before anyone could say whether or not they wanted to be grabbed. You think all those countries surrounding Russia wanted to suddenly become part of USSR? That's why they pushed so hard to Berlin. They knew they wanted to do an illegal grab of other country's land. And I read Russia worked out some sneaky bullshit plan like that with Churchill. Fuck Putin.
Percentages agreement - Wikipedia

More propaganda and bullshit. Not a single country was added to the territory of USSR after the end of WWII. Soviet Union lost a lot of the territory that Russia had before WWI. Today's Russian Federation lost a lot of the territory that Soviet Union had before its break up. It's ignorant and idiotic to claim that Russia is grabbing territory. They are shrinking.

 

[Snappo]

I can agree with most of that. I still think there is a shadow government though...

I read your link and it wasn't a real shadow government. Just a group of people that met once a week and they called it "shadow government" as just an inside name. It's like if me you and one other person called us the three musketeers. Or if I wives called us that. It wouldn't make us actual musketeers. There actually are a group of wealthy power brokers in the world that manipulate policy though. Rockefeller, Rothchild, Chase, Carnegie, etc - those kinds of people. Like the Robber Barons from our history books. Robber baron (industrialist) - Wikipedia

 

[Snappo]

More propaganda and bullshit. Not a single country was added to the territory of USSR after the end of WWII. Soviet Union lost a lot of the territory that Russia had before WWI. Today's Russian Federation lost a lot of the territory that Soviet Union had before its break up. It's ignorant and idiotic to claim that Russia is grabbing territory. They are shrinking.

So your contention is that Russia always owned Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and East Germany, etc? Molotov Ribbentrop is make believe, you say? Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia

 

[Snappo]

Here's another Russian land grab in the modern age (Crimea, Ukraine). And let's not forget they grabbed Afghanistan a few decades ago too. Russia are land grabbers. It's in their DNA. Also don't forget the Pogroms.
Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I read your link and it wasn't a real shadow government. Just a group of people that met once a week and they called it "shadow government" as just an inside name. It's like if me you and one other person called us the three musketeers. Or if I wives called us that. It wouldn't make us actual musketeers. There actually are a group of wealthy power brokers in the world that manipulate policy though. Rockefeller, Rothchild, Chase, Carnegie, etc - those kinds of people. Like the Robber Barons from our history books. Robber baron (industrialist) - Wikipedia

I'm familiar with the Rothschilds, bildeberg etc... That's kinda what I am referring to.

Like I find it disturbing that George Soros friend is supplying electronic online voting machines in 10 states. Really??

 

[Snappo]

I'm familiar with the Rothschilds, bildeberg etc... That's kinda what I am referring to.

Like I find it disturbing that George Soros friend is supplying electronic online voting machines in 10 states. Really??

Our species was always groups of haves and have-nots. From the days of who got the coolest cave and who stood outside the cave and got eaten by a sabertooth tiger; that's been how survival of the fittest works. The rich people get to control the poor people. The strong get to control the weak. My family had to escape Russian Pogroms (mother's side) and escape the Warsaw Ghetto (father's side) to get to this country; and Jews have always been on the losing end of the have/have-not scales. If a have-not like me thinks my little shitstain vote in Little Falls will do jack shit to change the course of history or better my lot in life, I would be kidding myself. Yeah maybe it's entertaining to debate how criminal Killery is, or how window-licker stupid Trump is; but in the big scheme of things he is worth billions and she is worth a half billion and neither gives a flying fuck about either of us. We're just statistics; and not important ones either. So in that regard maybe you could say there is some quiet back-room group pulling strings. But that's by design and honestly I don't think Karl Marx's view of a better world would benefit us much either. I'd still have to work, Kim Kardashian would still be too hot to fuck someone like me, and my car would still break down if I didn't change the oil. My life isn't gonna be changed by any of these people.

 

[Mosinitis]

So your contention is that Russia always owned Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and East Germany, etc? Molotov Ribbentrop is make believe, you say? Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia

Warsaw Pact countries were no more of a Russian territory than NATO countries U.S. territory. How do you come up with this crap? Most of the European powers had non-aggression pact with Hitler. Russia was the last to sign one. Poland signed one as well. On the same day, when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia, Poland annexed Czechoslovakian territory (Eastern Silesia). History wasn't as one-side as taught to us during the cold war era. All countries made wrong moves, not just Russia.

 

[Mosinitis]

Here's another Russian land grab in the modern age (Crimea, Ukraine). And let's not forget they grabbed Afghanistan a few decades ago too. Russia are land grabbers. It's in their DNA. Also don't forget the Pogroms.
Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia

Crimea had sovereignty under Ukrainian Constitution. It voted itself out, so did Ukraine in 1991. Islamic Insurgency in Afghanistan was organized by the CIA. Google operation cyclone. We all know how well it ended up for us.

 

[holdover]

I have a buddy that I have worked with for 20 years. The guy swears up and down 911 was an inside fix. People like that are insane and need a good head shrink. .

I think that anyone who believes the media is telling them the truth needs a good head shrink. I'm sure you believe in man made global warming too. Because of all the "" science "". probably believe Hillary had nothing to do with deaths of the men in Bengasi because the FBI never found anything.

Even after the media and has been exposed as being a complicit arm of the government . Even though Federal law enforcement are lying to the people . People still cannot comprehend that they were lied to .

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Kremlin Insiders Dire WW3 Warning: "War Might Begin Before US Elections"

Back to the commies...

 

[Phauxtoe]

its going to happen either Here or in Europe!
it will be from the Religion of Pieces, a suitcase bomb or a Dirty Bomb.

then the Middle East will need to be Carpet Nuked!

 

[Snappo]

I think that anyone who believes the media is telling them the truth needs a good head shrink. I'm sure you believe in man made global warming too. Because of all the "" science "". probably believe Hillary had nothing to do with deaths of the men in Bengasi because the FBI never found anything.

Even after the media and has been exposed as being a complicit arm of the government . Even though Federal law enforcement are lying to the people . People still cannot comprehend that they were lied to .

1) I believe in science. I guess in the same way many humans believe in invisible sky-daddys. I just think everything has a fairly logical explanation if you can get to all the data. When people say "Jet fuel cannot melt a skyscraper" I say - "bullshit - we saw it do just that". So visual evidence in that case. I don't know why an otherwise very educated normal guy would go down that path of black helicopters, and tin-foil hats.
2) Yeah the media is a total scam. It's not a not-for-profit organization. It is a corporation like any other. They give us information, and they are paid by their advertisers. The information they give needs to be such that an advertiser wants to spend money on the advertising during information feed. If a media outlet is being told by the government that "if you say something we don't like you will be kicked out of the POTUS press pool", then of course they are gonna spin what the government told them to spin. Otherwise they are no longer in the press pool, can no longer deliver information, and the advertisers go somewhere else to spend their money. I'm not sure why people don't understand this, and somehow think that the news being fed to them is honest and objective?
3) Global warming and cooling is just science. A rock is hurling around a sun. The sun is hurling through the universe. Things external to the solar system are introduced to that solar system, and things pertinent to the rock occur too (weather, crust dynamics, ozone changes, etc). I'm sure there are MANY components for why a planet's surface weather cools and heats; and one of the components can be caused by humans. Pollution, chlorofluorocarbons (or however that's spelled), above ground nuclear tests, cutting down forests, cow methane, etc. All that shit changes the atmosphere.
4) Clinton was "the buck stops here". She did not control the CIA or the CIA budget; but she certainly controlled spending with regard to embassies and political outposts. So if they didn't spend enough protecting our Ambassador from the get-go; that's on her. And when CIA called to say a shitstorm was happening; someone should have told Aviano AFB and Sigonella NAS to see if either could help. Whether it was Killery or Ovomit; one of those fucksticks screwed up. Every single person at those 2 bases made it through BASIC and can operate an M16A4. I don't care if their MOS or AFSC was cleaning urinals - they knew how to take mission directions and operate small arms. And they could have been there in a few hours. So fuck Killery and Ovomit. And she lied about Benghazi, right? God I hate that bitch.

 

[holdover]

Calm down guys , Its really very unlikely at this point. The US just doesn't know what to do . Putin Check mated them in Syria, and Hillary's policy on Syria is wrong and always has been wrong. Now they don't know how to take the heat off . The Russians put a no fly zone over Aleppo and now they don't know how to deal with that.

 

[holdover]

1) I believe in science. I guess in the same way many humans believe in invisible sky-daddys.

See theres where your wrong already. I don't believe in Sky daddys .Real science , we can agree cannot be disputed . But real science is not what were told anymore. It has become a political tool .

I just think everything has a fairly logical explanation if you can get to all the data. When people say "Jet fuel cannot melt a skyscraper" I say - "bullshit - we saw it do just that". So visual evidence in that case. I don't know why an otherwise very educated normal guy would go down that path of black helicopters, and tin-foil hats.

Well maybe because A) the ""science"" is not what they say it is, b) all the evidence has never been gathered C) the investigations were absolute bullshit C political agendas . D to many unanswered questions

2) Yeah the media is a total scam. It's not a not-for-profit organization. It is a corporation like any other. They give us information, and they are paid by their advertisers. The information they give needs to be such that an advertiser wants to spend money on the advertising during information feed. If a media outlet is being told by the government that "if you say something we don't like you will be kicked out of the POTUS press pool", then of course they are gonna spin what the government told them to spin. Otherwise they are no longer in the press pool, can no longer deliver information, and the advertisers go somewhere else to spend their money. I'm not sure why people don't understand this, and somehow think that the news being fed to them is honest and objective?

That's my point . It isn't. They controlled the media and the whole story and all the investigations and you swallow it all without question??


3) Global warming and cooling is just science. A rock is hurling around a sun. The sun is hurling through the universe. Things external to the solar system are introduced to that solar system, and things pertinent to the rock occur too (weather, crust dynamics, ozone changes, etc). I'm sure there are MANY components for why a planet's surface weather cools and heats; and one of the components can be caused by humans. Pollution, chlorofluorocarbons (or however that's spelled), above ground nuclear tests, cutting down forests, cow methane, etc. All that shit changes the atmosphere.

That's true , global warming has been around since there was globe. So How does "" science""differentiate between natural global warming and man made global warming? and how much glacial meltdown has there been in the last 100 years or so?

4) Clinton was "the buck stops here". She did not control the CIA or the CIA budget; but she certainly controlled spending with regard to embassies and political outposts. So if they didn't spend enough protecting our Ambassador from the get-go; that's on her. And when CIA called to say a shitstorm was happening; someone should have told Aviano AFB and Sigonella NAS to see if either could help. Whether it was Killery or Ovomit; one of those fucksticks screwed up. Every single person at those 2 bases made it through BASIC and can operate an M16A4. I don't care if their MOS or AFSC was cleaning urinals - they knew how to take mission directions and operate small arms. And they could have been there in a few hours. So fuck Killery and Ovomit. And she lied about Benghazi, right? God I hate that bitch.

I got no argument with you on that