NY Legal "SBR" or "AR Pistol" without having a Pistol Permit

[Eddie Gunks]

Would using a brace get the barrel shorter while still getting 26 overall?

It is measured from all non movable/removable parts. So if the brace can come off then it is to the end of the buffer.....that is why 11.5 inch barrel........cause it measures to the end of the barrel NOT the flash hider.....unless a perm fh......but then it would atill be 11.5 inch barrel.....

As far as the other goes.....IF you really bought a lower that had NEVER been a rifle then you are good.

IF the FFL just fucked up the paperwork....no big deal. It has to be built to be a rifle....NOT just an FFL paperwork botch job.

But as @dsdmmat said above. If you are not 100% sure it was a virgin lower get another one. They are cheap.

Edit to add: if it is an “other” over 26 inches you would not need a fixed mag

 

[Apeman]

Please don't crucify me but I have to ask: why pin the mag?

If it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle it doesnt fall under their definition of assault weapon because they state "rifle" in the law. It's not a pistol so the mag doesn't need to be fixed.
Am I missing something?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Please don't crucify me but I have to ask: why pin the mag?

If it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle it doesnt fall under their definition of assault weapon because they state "rifle" in the law. It's not a pistol so the mag doesn't need to be fixed.
Am I missing something?

You aren't.

 

[wdeister08]

Please don't crucify me but I have to ask: why pin the mag?

If it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle it doesnt fall under their definition of assault weapon because they state "rifle" in the law. It's not a pistol so the mag doesn't need to be fixed.
Am I missing something?

Super relevant.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Please don't crucify me but I have to ask: why pin the mag?

If it doesn't meet the definition of a rifle it doesnt fall under their definition of assault weapon because they state "rifle" in the law. It's not a pistol so the mag doesn't need to be fixed.
Am I missing something?

You are correct.

No fixed mag is needed. (I edited my previous posts. I missed that in the OP) provided it does not have a stock, has a forward grip and the OAL is 26 or longer. The above makes it an “other”

 

[S&W Fan]

You are correct.

No fixed mag is needed. (I edited my previous posts. I missed that in the OP) provided it does not have a stock, has a forward grip and the OAL is 26 or longer. The above makes it an “other”

Well then Hell, I want one!

 

[Exonautic]

I don't plan on making one, just want to be more knowledgeable about AR15 legality.

Off to a good start of taking up pod's policy i see.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Well get out there and make some guys! What are you waiting for?

 

[Exonautic]

Well get out there and make some guys! What are you waiting for?

$$$

 

[wdeister08]

You are correct.

No fixed mag is needed. (I edited my previous posts. I missed that in the OP) provided it does not have a stock, has a forward grip and the OAL is 26 or longer. The above makes it an “other”

Wait. We need a vertical or afg on this thing for it to be an other? Interesting.

 

[FrankenCub]

Ok, so I keep reading this thread and still seem to be a bit confused. At one time I looked at the laws to see what is NY legal as an Other and I thought the only Other legal here was a smooth bore pistol. Is it stated somewhere else what NY considers legal?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ok, so I keep reading this thread and still seem to be a bit confused. At one time I looked at the laws to see what is NY legal as an Other and I thought the only Other legal here was a smooth bore pistol. Is it stated somewhere else what NY considers legal?

If it isn't a pistol, rifle, or a shotgun it is an other. There is no place that lists others. Others are just others.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Wait. We need a vertical or afg on this thing for it to be an other? Interesting.

Vertical.

Afg is not considered a fore grip.....

 

[FrankenCub]

If it isn't a pistol, rifle, or a shotgun it is an other. There is no place that lists others. Others are just others.

Strange, I could have sworn I seen somewhere in penal code that they allowed an Other but it was confined to smooth bore pistol. I could be mistaken.
As if I don't have enough going on already, sounds like a fun time.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

$$$

Perfect for your nygf lower......no stock. 11.5 inch barrel.

Easy peasy.

 

[FrankenCub]

If it isn't a pistol, rifle, or a shotgun it is an other. There is no place that lists others. Others are just others.

Other, as in AOW?

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Other, as in AOW?

Huh?

Other = other
AOW = any other weapon.

Check your federal definitions.

 

[Exonautic]

Perfect for your nygf lower......no stock. 11.5 inch barrel.

Easy peasy.

Sorry bud. Thats why i have no money. I'm waiting for payday to pick up the bcg.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Sorry bud. Thats why i have no money. I'm waiting for payday to pick up the bcg.

Change your build plans

 

[FrankenCub]

Ok I think I got it. The ATF doesn't actually list "Other" per say. But because my lower was bought as an "Other" and squeezing between the listed NFA definitions it would be legal.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Ok I think I got it. The ATF doesn't actually list "Other" per say. But because my lower was bought as an "Other" and squeezing between the listed NFA definitions it would be legal.

Technically it is an “other firearm”

The American Cowboy Chronicles: What is a Firearm? The ATF Definition

 

[Exonautic]

Change your build plans

all i need is the BCG. got everything else.

 

[Apeman]

Not that you'd want to go long but is there a length you need to stay under? Or does it not matter how long the whole thing is as long as it's over 26"?

 

[Exonautic]

Not that you'd want to go long but is there a length you need to stay under? Or does it not matter how long the whole thing is as long as it's over 26"?

as long as it's over 26" and under a 16" barrel.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

as long as it's over 26" and under a 16" barrel.

uuuummmmmm? no one said there is a maximum barrel length.

the technical "catch" is:
1. not designed to be fired from the shoulder
2. has a forward vertical grip AND
3. an OAL of 26 or more.....

therein lies the classification.



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[Exonautic]

uuuummmmmm? no one said there is a maximum barrel length.

the technical "catch" is:
1. not designed to be fired from the shoulder
2. has a forward vertical grip AND
3. an OAL of 26 or more.....

therein lies the classification.



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Yep my bad. Thought being over 16 inches redefined it but that's not the case after looking over the clear and concise penal code.

 

[Exonautic]

think I'm gonna build one of these in 9mm at some point.

 

[1075tech]

Sounds like a good reason to get the 12" 6.5 Grendel barrel I've been contemplating. Damn it! There goes my OT check this week!

 

[Acer-m14]

It is measured from all non movable/removable parts. So if the brace can come off then it is to the end of the buffer.....that is why 11.5 inch barrel........cause it measures to the end of the barrel NOT the flash hider.....unless a perm fh......but then it would atill be 11.5 inch barrel.....

As far as the other goes.....IF you really bought a lower that had NEVER been a rifle then you are good.

IF the FFL just fucked up the paperwork....no big deal. It has to be built to be a rifle....NOT just an FFL paperwork botch job.

But as @dsdmmat said above. If you are not 100% sure it was a virgin lower get another one. They are cheap.

Edit to add: if it is an “other” over 26 inches you would not need a fixed mag

This is why GUN LAWS SUCK!!! .... i can buy a pistol upper cash or check and carry .. i have no lower .. .. my friend has a ar rifle , i go to his house and we go out back and swap uppers and have fun .. pew pew pew pew .. and switch back when done .. 2 pin change over .. omg ... .. no one knows .. and were the good guys .. FUAC .. mean while yesterday morning we have a another church shooting from a asshole who isnt allowed to have a gun no matter how he gets one ...

 

[togmaster]

uuuummmmmm? no one said there is a maximum barrel length.

the technical "catch" is:
1. not designed to be fired from the shoulder
2. has a forward vertical grip AND
3. an OAL of 26 or more.....

therein lies the classification.



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So...basically add a sig brace to any upper/barrel combo with a vertical grip and you are GTG?