NY Legal Survival Rifle

[meketrefe]

I wouldn't see the utility in it for a .308 or 5.56mm but a 7.62x39 with a 7 inch barrel is not too shabby along with a .22lr for hunting.

It's a survival gun. Not a fighting gun. Something you throw in a backpack and you can shoot whatever ammo you find.

Where is the 7" barrel? It looks that the long cylinder is all the actual barrel you get because
we know we cannot shoot 22 LR through 9mm all from the same barrel right?
How long is that cylinder 6"? whatever is it, it also includes the chamber so there is no much bore left.

Again, snake oil.

 

[meketrefe]

 

[Marine Cpl]

Where is the 7" barrel? It looks that the long cylinder is all the actual barrel you get because
we know we cannot shoot 22 LR through 9mm all from the same barrel right?
How long is that cylinder 6"? whatever is it, it also includes the chamber so there is no much bore left.

Again, snake oil.

I guess you commented without watching the videos or going to their website or reading all the posts here.

The 7 inch cylinder is the barrel. Each chamber can have any caliber you want. So 6 chambers have their own barrels.

 

[Marine Cpl]

That sucks. Not a good survival rifle at all.

 

[meketrefe]

I guess you commented without watching the videos or going to their website or reading all the posts here.

The 7 inch cylinder is the barrel. Each chamber can have any caliber you want. So 6 chambers have their own barrels.

I don't need to read their website to know it is a stupid idea. Do you really want to fire high power caliber rifles from a revolver?
Do you know what happens when a bullet from a high pressure round leaves the cylinder?
I can further explain but I think it is obvious right?

 

[meketrefe]

That sucks. Not a good survival rifle at all.

Yes it is a horrible survival rifle because IT IS A SHOTGUN.
The ideal survival rifle is always a shotgun. 410/22LR are officially designated survival rifles
but many shotguns will do the trick with simple inserts.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't need to read their website to know it is a stupid idea. Do you really want to fire high power caliber rifles from a revolver?
Do you know what happens when a bullet from a high pressure round leaves the cylinder?
I can further explain but I think it is obvious right?

Your hand is nowhere near the cylinder.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yes it is a horrible survival rifle because IT IS A SHOTGUN.

So why would you post a shotgun in a survival rifle thread?

 

[meketrefe]

So why would you post a shotgun in a survival rifle thread?

Because it shoots rifle rounds too and safely.
not all shotguns can shoot hp rounds safely, lets make that clear.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Because it shoots rifle rounds too and safely.

You don't get the point of this gun. Nevermind.

 

[Uzi]

Who cares about NY compliancy when it comes to survival?

 

[meketrefe]

Baikal, a Russian shotgun made by Izhevsk uses a very strong action and it is budget. Remington used to sell them
rebranded as Remington Spartan.
They make great dual barrel rifles with teh same actions that take the shotgun tubes.

A classic in Russia including Siveria along with saigas, sks and even mosins all proven everywhere all the time.

Need to shoot some pistol cartriges too or rimfire? Nothing is easier than sliding in an insert.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Who cares about NY compliancy when it comes to survival?

Is your Uzi going to shoot 30.06 or .22lr if you run into it?

 

[meketrefe]

Who cares about NY compliancy when it comes to survival?

Exactly...The survival gun is the gun you have. If one wants to have too many options most likely is not carrying the many parts of an adapter system.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Baikal, a Russian shotgun made by Izhevsk uses a very strong action and it is budget. Remington used to sell them
rebranded as Remington Spartan.
They make great dual barrel rifles with teh same actions that take the shotgun tubes.

A classic in Russia including Siveria along with saigas, sks and even mosins all proven everywhere all the time.

Need to shoot some pistol cartriges too or rimfire? Nothing is easier than sliding in an insert.

Does the insert doesn't have 7 inches of rifling? I don't know because I've never looked into it?

 

[meketrefe]

Does the insert doesn't have 7 inches of rifling? I don't know because I've never looked into it?

you have in all sizes. I would say keep the short ones for pistol and for rifle order at least 8 inches of barrel. Any gunsmith will make you whatever you
want. you can even use inserts that go into other inserts. For example a 22 liner can go inside other barrels reducing space and or increasing versatility.

 

[Marine Cpl]

you have in all sizes. I would say keep the short ones for pistol and for rifle order at least 8 inches of barrel. Any gunsmith will make you whatever you
want. you can even use inserts that go into other inserts. For example a 22 liner can go inside other barrels reducing space and or increasing versatility.

So you can shoot 9mm, 45 ACP, .30.06, .308, all from the same gun or are you limited to only certain calibers?

 

[meketrefe]

So you can shoot 9mm, 45 ACP, .30.06, .308, all from the same gun or are you limited to only certain calibers?

A .410 shotgun will be more limited and that is why most inserts are for 12 gauge that take up to 50 caliber rounds.
one also has shotgun inserts 12 ga in 20 ga and 410 that are also very light.

Also for the 308 and 30.06 and 7.62x39 and whisper/blackout, 30 carbine, 30-30 one could have one single long insert in 30 bore with a lot of free bore and then order
chamber inserts for each caliber. A gunsmith will do that. The only consideration is that the shank and tenon for the insert has to be of high quality
and heat treated and the action needs to be a strong one. Otherwise individual inserts for inside chambers are also available.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Is the rifle you are talking about single shot or can it fire 6 straight shots of various calibers like 3 of .22lr and 3 more of 7.62x39 in the same cylinder?

Can the rifle's stock collapse to easily fit in your backpack?

Can you carry another cylinder in your backpack with 6 already loaded shots of say 9mm if that's all you have left from your carry gun?

 

[meketrefe]

The idea of a true multicaliber magazine fed is also in my mind.
But for survival there is not need for anything else other than a shotgun with inserts.
Most likely a 410 insert will do all the hunting most people need from birds to deer.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The idea of a true multicaliber magazine fed is also in my mind.
But for survival there is not need for anything else other than a shotgun with inserts.
Most likely a 410 insert will do all the hunting most people need from birds to deer.

What if you miss your shot at a squirrel with a .22lr insert? Can you fire again if you miss?

 

[Marine Cpl]

What if while you are hunting squirrel, a fat bear comes into your view? Can you readily rotate the insert and have .44 Magnum available in one second like you can with this revolver's cylinder?

 

[meketrefe]

Is the rifle you are talking about single shot or can it fire 6 straight shots of various calibers like 3 of .22lr and 3 more of 7.62x39 in the same cylinder?

The triple barrel can shoot 3 shots of 7.62x39 or any other calibers if you have the inserts. you know the answer about the 6 straight shots of various calibers.

Can the rifle's stock collapse to easily fit in your backpack?

Break open can go in two parts. Stocks can be skeletonized.

Can you carry another cylinder in your backpack with 6 already loaded shots of say 9mm if that's all you have left from your carry gun?

No but you can carry 12 gauge buck loads that will produce more power and trauma than those 6 already loaded 9mm.

Can the 9mm cylinder fire three 12 gauge slugs or duble 00 buckshot and obliterate anything at short range or harvest a large Canadian goose flying 100 yards in the air?

Survival means anything and everything.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No but you can carry 12 gauge buck loads that will produce more power and trauma than those 6 already loaded 9mm.

Can the 9mm cylinder fire three 12 gauge slugs or duble 00 buckshot and obliterate anything at short range or harvest a large Canadian goose flying 100 yards in the air?

Survival means anything and everything.

I don't think you understand how this cylinder works.

 

[meketrefe]

What if you miss your shot at a squirrel with a .22lr insert? Can you fire again if you miss?

yes. if you miss hit it again wiht the next barrel and if you miss again, well find another passion. or have the 3 shot shotgun and hit it with the 410
and 12 gauge and eat what is left.

When all is left is 12ga ammo what do you do with that stupid gun?

 

[meketrefe]

I don't think you understand how this cylinder works.

Oh yes, I do. it is a stupid idea.

 

[Marine Cpl]

yes. if you miss hit it again wiht the next barrel and if you miss again, well find another passion. or have the 3 shot shotgun and hit it with the 410
and 12 gauge and eat what is left.

When all is left is 12ga ammo what do you do with that stupid gun?

Why are you typing in yellow. It's hard to follow along. This is what I see.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Oh yes, I do. it is a stupid idea.

So you think it's a stupid idea to have let's say one cylinder with 3 shots of .22lr for squirrel and 3 of 7.62x39 capable of reaching a 100 yards or so for deer and let's say another cylinder in your backpack that'll take 6 shots of 44 magnum or 10mm. (Whatever your sidearm is loaded with.) Totally customizable to your liking.

You think running a single shot insert is better that you have to take to a gunsmith to get working?

 

[Uzi]

Is your Uzi going to shoot 30.06 or .22lr if you run into it?

Not sure what the relevance is there, but they make uzi's chambered in 22lr in various models, but there are 22lr conversion kits for uzi's and mac 10's/11's with a change of magazine and upper receiver if you wanted to. That's not the point though. I can shoot 22lr, 9mm, 38/357 magnum out of my 12 gauge shotgun. It too has a folding stock and will mostly fit inside any backpack, and the inserts the size of one shotgun shell each. Follow up shots of buck or slugs can be made if I "miss".

 

[meketrefe]

sorry switched to read. ...it is easier to read Questions from answers.

I got to go, but this is the thing Will, if you now anything about firearms you should know why bottleneck cartriges and revolvers do not go well together.

Any revolver using many bottlenecked cartridges have always been a source for problems no matter how long the cylinder and how tight or strong.

Specially any revolvers using full size high pressure service type rifle cartridge would have even more problems. There are several technical problems
like cylinder binding from bullets jumping, flame cutting and torching, cases setting back, cone erosion and if there is no cone then that means
a 30-06 w/o much bore that it only contributes to the other problems.
To be somewhat safe it has to be very heavy because there is no locking mechanism for the cylinder and head so all the pressure has to be taken
by the actual frame that is huge.

So many reasons why that is a stupid idea.

But if people buy it is probably because they deserve to have it.