NY State Assembly Bill A416 (communicable disease camps)

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GOPerfect said:
NYS A416?

www.nysenate.gov

NY State Assembly Bill 2021-A416

Relates to the removal of cases, contacts and carriers of communicable diseases that are potentially dangerous to the public health.
www.nysenate.gov www.nysenate.gov

Almost sounds like a concentration camp to me....

Read and be very scared...
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This is the vague part that scares me:

UPON DETERMINING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH
OF OTHERS IS OR MAY BE ENDANGERED BY A CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER, OR
SUSPECTED CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER OF A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT, IN THE
OPINION OF THE GOVERNOR, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER, MAY
POSE AN IMMINENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESULTING
IN SEVERE MORBIDITY OR HIGH MORTALITY, THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER DELE-
GEE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE HEADS OF
LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, MAY ORDER THE REMOVAL AND/OR DETENTION OF SUCH
A PERSON OR OF A GROUP OF SUCH PERSONS BY ISSUING A SINGLE ORDER, IDEN-
TIFYING SUCH PERSONS EITHER BY NAME OR BY A REASONABLY SPECIFIC
DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP BEING DETAINED. SUCH PERSON OR
GROUP OF PERSONS SHALL BE DETAINED IN A MEDICAL FACILITY OR OTHER APPRO-
PRIATE FACILITY OR PREMISES DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER
DELEGEE AND COMPLYING WITH SUBDIVISION FIVE OF THIS SECTION.
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What does that even mean? What if they determine certain "beliefs" may be a significant threat all of a sudden? Going to turn minority report REAL fast if this doesn't get clarification.

I could see this as being a massive violation, if -- in true NY fashion -- it is interpreted in the most insane way possible. First, forth, and sixth amendments out the window.
 
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Pretty bold of them, what could possibly go wrong?
Wouldn't take much of a stretch to convince some judges that certain free thinking conservative types could "infect" communities with not so progressive thoughts.
 
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This has an amazing high probability of being passed.
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All the more reason people need to band together and get involved in politics. We can't just sit around and say "Oh well, it's upstate. Can't do anything."

This is EXACTLY the time to push. NYC is in shambles. The liberal strongholds are fucked right now, and people are leaving them en masse. Maybe upstate will matter more next time -- who knows. If NYC never bounces back, then NY state becomes a battleground politically.
 
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libertysnake said:
This is the vague part that scares me:



What does that even mean? What if they determine certain "beliefs" may be a significant threat all of a sudden? Going to turn minority report REAL fast if this doesn't get clarification.

I could see this as being a massive violation, if -- in true NY fashion -- it is interpreted in the most insane way possible. First, forth, and sixth amendments out the window.
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The whole thing scares me!
I would have to reread this at a time that is not 2AM to truly grasp it all, but it seems that one can suddenly go missing for any of the above mentioned reasons and they may reach out to your contacts "to the extent feasible." So when they have dozens (hundreds, thousands) in containment and only hire 1 secretary to make calls...
This is disturbing indeed!
 
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libertysnake said:
All the more reason people need to band together and get involved in politics. We can't just sit around and say "Oh well, it's upstate. Can't do anything."

This is EXACTLY the time to push. NYC is in shambles. The liberal strongholds are fucked right now, and people are leaving them en masse. Maybe upstate will matter more next time -- who knows. If NYC never bounces back, then NY state becomes a battleground politically.
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The only way to turn the left against this stuff is to use it against them.

If they pass this, some conservative jurisdiction needs to abuse it as far as possible to force the left to overturn it in court.

When you look at all the stuff that's been declared a "public health crisis" you start to understand the scope of it. It is the conplete abolishment of half of the bill of rights.
 
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"IDENTIFYING SUCH PERSONS EITHER BY NAME OR BY A REASONABLY SPECIFIC
DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP BEING DETAINED."

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:


Remember 10 months ago?, fLaTtEn tHe cUrVe 2 weeks... Now this that and everything else.

Is there any due process involved? I'm going to have to go back and read that again.

They will just keep ratcheting this shit up more and more until enough people push back.
I do not wear a mask, has it created me issues? Of course it has.
But I am at peace with my decision no matter what other people say.
As I know I am not, and have not been part of the problem.
I'm not the one feeding the beast.
 
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spat said:
When you look at all the stuff that's been declared a "public health crisis" you start to understand the scope of it. It is the conplete abolishment of half of the bill of rights.
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You mean something like this...

www.ama-assn.org

AMA calls gun violence "a public health crisis"

In the wake of mass shootings, the AMA adopted policy calling gun violence "a public health crisis" requiring a thorough public health response and solution.
www.ama-assn.org www.ama-assn.org
 
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I see that other versions were introduced in other legislative sessions beginning in 2017.

2017 - 2018 - A680
2018 - 2019 - A99
2019 - 2020 - A416

All 3 sponsored by Assemblyman Nick Perry, Brooklyn (D)
He has been pushing this before the Chinese Flu was a thing.
 
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Seems I recall a few years back, - rumors that a large 'holding facility' was being built in a little corner of Ft. Collins, CO. No local fanfare about 'new missions or deployments' there, just large scale construction. Some other reports, throughout the country, of some 'government involvement' in the 'refurbishing' of some large, closed down or abandoned retail establishments, by various un-named agencies into something reputed to be some sort of 'containment facility', in several locales, spread throughout the U.S. - Yeah, I know, put the tin-foil hats on. - At this point, I think nothing could surprise me. -- " Hey come look through the window pane, - the bus is coming, gonna take us to the train".
 
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Shit will get real and fast if this gets passes. I’ll be an enemy of the state? This is how they will strip is of gun rights.

I have no doubt this will pass and I’m sure the lack of a vaccine will put you on said list. Funny thing is if you recieved the vaccine or not is protected information and you don’t need to provide it to the government. This better get challenged.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
This is how they will strip is of gun rights.
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Of course. Push so hard people fight back, then blame them for fighting back and push even harder.
We saw this shit in other Countries that have gone full socialist. We've read this shit in history books.

I firmly believe this is the tipping point. 2021 will be the year the civil war starts.
 
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They want to stick citizens in camps they deem a danger to public health.

Where have we seen this before?

It was never about a virus.

From the current bill A416-

2. UPON DETERMINING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH
OF OTHERS IS OR MAY BE ENDANGERED BY A CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER, OR
SUSPECTED CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER OF A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT, IN THE
OPINION OF THE GOVERNOR, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER, MAY
POSE AN IMMINENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESULTING
IN SEVERE MORBIDITY OR HIGH MORTALITY, THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER DELE-
GEE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE HEADS OF
LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, MAY ORDER THE REMOVAL AND/OR DETENTION OF SUCH
A PERSON OR OF A GROUP OF SUCH PERSONS BY ISSUING A SINGLE ORDER, IDEN-
TIFYING SUCH PERSONS EITHER BY NAME OR BY A REASONABLY SPECIFIC
DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP BEING DETAINED. SUCH PERSON OR
GROUP OF PERSONS SHALL BE DETAINED IN A MEDICAL FACILITY OR OTHER APPRO-
PRIATE FACILITY OR PREMISES DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER
DELEGEE AND COMPLYING WITH SUBDIVISION FIVE OF THIS SECTION.


https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/a416
 

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Sooner or later everyone will get over COVID through either vaccination or herd immunity. AIDS is forever. Symptoms can be suppressed and damage can be halted but as far as I know there is no "cure".
 
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Pretty sure NY would do this with or without passing this bill. What is very scary to me is they are making it public and people are OK with it. The assemblyman that sponsored this bill numerous times... I probably shouldn't say it.
 
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Grimscale said:
Of course. Push so hard people fight back, then blame them for fighting back and push even harder.
We saw this shit in other Countries that have gone full socialist. We've read this shit in history books.

I firmly believe this is the tipping point. 2021 will be the year the civil war starts.
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Not what I was thinking. My thought is they will find out you didn’t get vaccinated and most of us that don’t want the vaccine are conservative gun owners. They will remove you from your home because you’re a health threat and ph we can’t leave these guns here to be stolen so we will confiscate them for safety reasons and you’ll never see them again.
 
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I cant believe this is even real. WTF


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, REPRESENTED IN SENATE AND ASSEM-
BLY, DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

Section 1. The public health law is amended by adding a new section
2120-a to read as follows:
§ 2120-A. REMOVAL AND DETENTION OF CASES, CONTACTS AND CARRIERS WHO
ARE OR MAY BE A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH; OTHER ORDERS. 1. THE PROVISIONS
OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE UTILIZED IN THE EVENT THAT THE GOVERNOR
DECLARES A STATE OF HEALTH EMERGENCY DUE TO AN EPIDEMIC OF ANY COMMUNI-
CABLE DISEASE.
2. UPON DETERMINING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH
OF OTHERS IS OR MAY BE ENDANGERED BY A CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER, OR
SUSPECTED CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER OF A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT, IN THE
OPINION OF THE GOVERNOR, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER, MAY
POSE AN IMMINENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESULTING
IN SEVERE MORBIDITY OR HIGH MORTALITY, THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER DELE-
GEE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE HEADS OF
LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, MAY ORDER THE REMOVAL AND/OR DETENTION OF SUCH
A PERSON OR OF A GROUP OF SUCH PERSONS BY ISSUING A SINGLE ORDER, IDEN-
TIFYING SUCH PERSONS EITHER BY NAME OR BY A REASONABLY SPECIFIC
DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP BEING DETAINED. SUCH PERSON OR
GROUP OF PERSONS SHALL BE DETAINED IN A MEDICAL FACILITY OR OTHER APPRO-
PRIATE FACILITY OR PREMISES DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER
DELEGEE AND COMPLYING WITH SUBDIVISION FIVE OF THIS SECTION.
3. A PERSON OR GROUP REMOVED OR DETAINED BY ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR OR
HIS OR HER DELEGEE PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION TWO OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE

NY State Assembly Bill A416 (nysenate.gov)
 
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