gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
The NYC City Council is expected to pass a resolution calling for the state legislature to enact a new restrictive carry law.
NYC calling for new carry law
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maverick52
.223 Rem
Lol. Libtards!
ManualF150
.308 Win
You can't carry down their unless you are a cop or celebrity... so who does this affect? Certainly not peons and certainly not criminals.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
They can burn in hell. The answer is no. No more giving up of our rights. No more caving. We need to draw the line somewhere.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The SCOTUS decision has ruled that they can’t declare Manhattan a gun free zone. They spoke about attempting to make the subway a “ sensitive area” but it looks like it won’t pass muster. They already specifically allow CCW with a permit now and the language of the court makes it hard to do such a law.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
The Supreme Court has set up years of arbitrary laws and lawsuits against them by failing to articulate a clear level of scrutiny for RKBA cases. The NYSRPA decision is the huge disappointment I feared.
Example: NY passes a law that no carrying within 500 feet of a school, government building, medical facility, or polling place. Good luck being able to walk around Manhattan without violating that 50 times a day.
Example: NY passes a law that no carrying within 500 feet of a school, government building, medical facility, or polling place. Good luck being able to walk around Manhattan without violating that 50 times a day.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I don’t really see that being allowed to happen. There are people that love less than 50’ from schools and government buildings in my area. That would effectively eliminate their right to any firearm ever. I thought they had this issue years ago when they passed the no guns on school grounds law and had to modify it.
One thing is for sure is that Kathy Cockhold will do her damndest for fuck us many times over for this win. I’m not sure it will be worth it in the end.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
The NYC City Council Committee on Public Safety and Committee on State and Federal Legislation will hold a joint oversight hearing on "access to firearms: city and state efforts to curb gun violence" at 10:00am today.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
The SCOTUS ruling specifically outlined the level of scrutiny that courts must use when hearing 2A cases.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
I stand by my comment that the SCOTUS has given us no clear standard of review. The Supreme Court in NYSRPA rejected intermediate scrutiny as a standard for review but also declined to say strict scrutiny was the correct standard. Instead we have been given an entirely new concept:
When the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only then may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” NYSRA at 15, quoting Konigsberg.
Read the discussion on the next three pages and you will see this "historical tradition" analysis is wildly impractical and will result in the same situation we had before NYSRPA: a variety of findings by different circuits that are inconsistent with each other. The Second Circuit -- covering New York -- is historically very anti-RKBA and will definitely find most or all of the upcoming NYC and NYS laws to be consistent with "historical tradition". Expect for most of Manhattan to become a "sensitive place" and for carrying to be practically impossible for years to come.
Again the NYSRPA case is the huge disappointment I feared, and the SCOTUS has done nothing to settle the issues around the Second Amendmnet.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Now they've gone and done it. The criminals are shitting in their pants.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
State? How about a chainsaw and tugboat? Tow em to Europe and beach em.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Do they care, though?
What repercussion is there for NY legislature/governor to just create a new law, pretend that it's constitutional, and wait another five years for it to go to scotus?
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The fact that any of these laws use utterly arbitrary things like "500 feet" is clear support of your view. I'm hearing they want to do 1000 feet within public transport. Why 1000 feet, why not 100 feet, why not 10 feet, or 50000 miles? It's arbitrary, used obviously to circumvent the intention of the scotus ruling. There isn't even a fallacious argument that can pretend a foot distance limit on carrying a gun near a school would ever make one shred of impact on anything at all. I get not allowing guns in a court house. But, say, within 500 feet of a court house what is the point of any of this?
A very reasonable definition of a sensitive place should be: all ingress is controlled by armed security with pat downs or metal detectors. This would mean an airport, court house is sensitive--you don't need a gun for self defense in the security section of an airport because you have a reasonable belief that anybody with one has already been stopped from entering the area. But this would preclude them considering public transport, malls, etc. as sensitive because there is no means to control who in the area has what.
Yes, very arbitrary when the State law already has a defined zone, ie, 500' for discharging a firearm when near others... Lol
It will be hard to justify an extended range on "safety" exclusion considerations...
They're all misfits that don't know what to do.
It will be hard to justify an extended range on "safety" exclusion considerations...
They're all misfits that don't know what to do.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Meanwhile criminals are cleaning their illegal guns and planning their next wealth redistribution itinerary. To think they're also tax exempt.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
It is a distance around a building rooted in history? I’d say no so it’s not allowed. I get the buildings property or the entrance, but not a distance around the building. Also how the hell would anyone know what 1000 feet is? You’re correct it’s 100% arbitrary.
ManualF150
.308 Win
So Mayor Adams said it was going to be "Wild, Wild West" in NY.... so it's been a couple days, and I haven't seen anything different, or am I missing something?
As the court exclaimed when NY protested this very thing during arguments in the case... The SCOTUS reply was that then by NY's efforts, ONLY the criminal would then be armed! Where then is the law abiding citizens ability to defend themselves?
ManualF150
.308 Win
According to them, the criminals are the only ones supposed to be armed. Law abiding citizens are supposed to get shot and be on the evening news for less than 1 minute then forgotten about. Then more news about beaverface writing up more gun laws that prohibit law abiding citizens for protecting themselves against thugs.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
They tried this in Chicago. They got smacked down by the courts.
Gotta be honest, I really do not care any more about what happens in that shithole of a city. They are reaping all they have voted for these past few decades.
Seriously, as a population in whole, they are quite stupid.
Seriously, as a population in whole, they are quite stupid.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Apparently by "wild wild west" he means the same as the 43 states that were already doing things this way.
Not sure why he thinks the residents of those 43 states are civilized enough to handle firearms and NYC residents aren’t. I think he owes the NYC residents he just insulted a serious apology.
"Mayor Adam's thinks the rednecks in Alabama are smarter than you guys when it comes to hanging guns. You should ask him why...."
he doesn't. He just hasn't figured out how to force those 43 States to follow NYC firearm rules.
I think maybe a whole other country. Then we can cut off the water, food, wall it off and sanction the leadership.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Every license (DL, business, firearm, etc.) the city issues, should be invalidated in the rest of the state/country, until every license issued outside of the city is recognized within, first.
skywarner
9mm
Don’t beach em. Sink em.
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