NYC handgun license application - cannot submit and no response from NYPD

[ek1]

I live in NYC (I know, I know, I should move) and I am a current holder of an NYC shotgun/rifle permit. I have been trying to apply for a Premise Residence handgun license for the past 5 months. The application web site states:

"Current or Former Licensees or Permit Holders
If you currently have, or have ever had, a license or permit from the New York City Police Department License Division and you wish to apply for an additional handgun license or rifle/shotgun permit, you must contact the License Division at (646) 610-5551 for further instructions before registering your account."

I tried calling that number at least 20-30 times. Different times of the day, different days of the week. It ALWAYS goes to voice mail and voice messages are never returned. Out of desperation, I tried calling another number (for renewals) and someone accidentally picked up the phone. They said that I need a "PIN" to apply and they cannot generate a PIN for me because the system was not working at the moment. They asked me to call the next day and of course since then nobody ever picks up the phone.

What can I do at this point to submit my application? I understand the application process takes a long time, but I cannot even BEGIN applying because of the stupid system. I even tried registering as a new applicant (it failed and said my info is already in the system). I even tried emailing them using an address they list on the answering machine on their renewal phone line, nobody responded.

Does anyone know how to get this magical "PIN"? It's starting to look like a deliberate sabotage by NYPD because it's very easy for them to just ignore these voice messages and hope that eventually people will get tired of calling.

 

[Jchrisls]

I live in NYC (I know, I know, I should move) and I am a current holder of an NYC shotgun/rifle permit. I have been trying to apply for a Premise Residence handgun license for the past 5 months. The application web site states:

"Current or Former Licensees or Permit Holders
If you currently have, or have ever had, a license or permit from the New York City Police Department License Division and you wish to apply for an additional handgun license or rifle/shotgun permit, you must contact the License Division at (646) 610-5551 for further instructions before registering your account."

I tried calling that number at least 20-30 times. Different times of the day, different days of the week. It ALWAYS goes to voice mail and voice messages are never returned. Out of desperation, I tried calling another number (for renewals) and someone accidentally picked up the phone. They said that I need a "PIN" to apply and they cannot generate a PIN for me because the system was not working at the moment. They asked me to call the next day and of course since then nobody ever picks up the phone.

What can I do at this point to submit my application? I understand the application process takes a long time, but I cannot even BEGIN applying because of the stupid system. I even tried registering as a new applicant (it failed and said my info is already in the system). I even tried emailing them using an address they list on the answering machine on their renewal phone line, nobody responded.

Does anyone know how to get this magical "PIN"? It's starting to look like a deliberate sabotage by NYPD because it's very easy for them to just ignore these voice messages and hope that eventually people will get tired of calling.

Sorry that I cannot help, but this certainly sounds like the perfect circus merry go round of NYC/ NYS bureaucracy. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that this is simply a way to "not deny, yet not allow " new permits at all.

 

[Acer-m14]

Sorry i can help either , but sounds like a nice lawsuit you have ... FUAC

 

[Blimey]

What can I do at this point to submit my application? I understand the application process takes a long time, but I cannot even BEGIN applying because of the stupid system.

It's not stupid. It's working exactly as intended. NYC does not want you to have a handgun. There is no repercussion--none at all--for this process's obvious shortcomings, and therefore it will continue as is, if not simply get worse.

Sorry i can help either , but sounds like a nice lawsuit you have ... FUAC

He has no lawsuit because the constitution does not exist in New York state, and certainly not in NYC. That they are still pretending to have a handgun permitting process is the most that can be hoped for. Perhaps in a few more months of calling somebody will finally answer the phone.

 

[GOYABEAN]

Sorry I can Help MOVE lots easier and faster land and the rotten apple

 

[Jchrisls]

John stossels experience applying for a pistol permit in NYC.


Best of luck.

 

[Chevusa]

Sounds quite similar to this guy’s experience. Document everything!

 

[SuffolkArms]

Have you tried to re-register and apply using their online portal and slightly misspell your name or address, and then write a note elsewhere on the application what your real information is? Get passed their stupid system and they're forced to process it, you can figure it out with an investigator down the line.

 

[SuffolkArms]

Looks like you need an email address and social security number per NYPD Licensing Account Creation Website:

1. Use a new email or alias email address, if you have gmail you can do that like this.
2. If it's failing on your social security number, you can use an alternative dash character to make an account. So instead of using the '-' on your keyboard, copy and paste this "en-dash" character here "–".
3. If it's failing on your other information after you get passed that screen, try to fudge it like I described above, there are a lot of strategies to do this. You can use space characters that are the alternate to the normal "space bar" character such as a non-breaking space, hair space to add to the end of a text block, etc.

I'd assume their checks are not working with any of these special characters, so as long as their form does not have logic to validate against them, these strategies should work and you should be able to make a new account and apply online.

 

[togmaster]

Too bad SCOTUS fucked us.

 

[fnfalguy]

Too bad SCOTUS fucked us.

Which time?

 

[Chevusa]

Just print this and carry it with you. You'll be fine.

 

[Saltwater60]

Which time?

Every time!!??

 

[Saltwater60]

I’d contact a lawyer and see if they will make a call for $100 or something. Or stop in there and let them know. Take a picture or video to document this. This is bullshit.

 

[Chevusa]

I’d contact a lawyer and see if they will make a call for $100 or something. Or stop in there and let them know. Take a picture or video to document this. This is bullshit.

Not a bad idea. Give a lawyer a few bucks to send them a certified letter or send a server to deliver it in person wanting to know what the hold up is.

 

[Chevusa]

In the video I posted in #7 the guy does a FOIA request and sees that the police department is lying to him by saying that there are all these people ahead of him and he gets the records that there isn't. They just try to delay delay delay and always pretend to be too busy to do his application. It also found that the local firemen and people politically connected all get their permits right away. It's a very good video if you have free time.