It would seem there's become a new standard to which people of good character or acting in self defense are now being prosecuted above the actual criminals. This tells me the powers that be have lost control and need to do two things: Go after any who dare not allow them to "handle the situation" and pressure for more resources (money, man-power) and in the face of the huge number of Officers that have retired/quit about all they can do is go after innocents that'll plead to some reduced bullshit charge just so they can get on with their lives and stay out of Prison/Jail.
NYPD Announces Crackdown on Bead Blasters in Wake of 18-Year-Old Man Shot and Killed After Squirting Water Gun at Off-Duty Corrections Officer
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It’s going to get scarer than that. Someone will be the next Kyle Rittenhouse. They will prosecute for political reasons .
They free criminals like the bad guy’s girlfriend who stabbed the good guy in this case. They refused to charge her.
The scary thing is when the people will know they wont get justice from that DA, people will take justice into their own hands.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
He was shot with it in the back in plain clothes. It was a kid being a moron and I’m sorry he didn’t deserve to die because of that. Stupid yes, death sentence no.
Funny thing is the co is being charged with murder, manslaughter, and criminal possession of a weapon.
Off-duty NYC corrections officer charged with murder in teen's shooting death
Police said a toy gun that shoots water-filled gel beads was found near the shooting scene.
www.cbsnews.com
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
He shot the 18 year old out of anger then left. He didn’t report it . He walked to his girlfriend’s house. He was traced there by video surveillance.
He’s toast.
He’s toast.
And yet, the answer is to ban the bead blasters. /sarcasm
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If he got wet, he should have known it was a water gun.
Pretty sure nobody is disguising a real gun so completely that it even shoots water too.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
We are getting much closer to a time when you call uncle Vinny with the backhoe instead of 911 after a self defense incident....
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Sad thing is they were already banned. The response is to crack down on them and round em up, but real guns and real criminals ah let them be. Sad isn’t it? Great point.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Are they actually prosecuting them, or just confiscating them without prosecution ?
If they're just taking stuff without a conviction or eminent domain ruling, then it's just theft.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
My understanding is the gun doesn’t shoot water. It shoots a bead like a soft pellet .
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They're like tiny water filled paintballs.
You might not get wet enough to notice, but you'd know you got hit by something that wasn't a real gun regardless.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
My understanding is the gun doesn’t shoot water. It shoots a bead like a soft pellet .
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
That is a point I am afraid of. And the collateral damage or innocence people hurt as a result of such actions.
Both the vigilante Justice.and the self defense case where the person feels they have to cover it up like they are the criminals for saving their own life.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
My understanding it’s a ticket and/or confiscating them.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
this was back in 2020 .. NYC seem to have a problem with the air gun black market LOL ..
www.cbsnews.com
Man With Pellet Gun Arrested On Brooklyn Rooftop, Sources Say He May Have Been Recording Video
The man was spotted on the roof of 19 Rogers Avenue in Crown Heights Tuesday morning.
www.cbsnews.com
I don't have an Uncle Vinnie...so I suppose I have to invest in a backhoe now...man, exercising my 2A rights is getting expensive...
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Anyway still should be devoting time to real criminals.
They shoot a semi firm gel pellet that is wetted with water. My kids had them, they sting but nothing horrible.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
"Confiscating" absent a conviction or eminent domain ruling is stealing.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
No, it’s illegal to possess in NYC in any capacity. It’s contraband on its face. The item is vouchered as evidence if the person wishes to fight the ticket in court. Then it’s treated like illegal drugs in the sense that when the case is over, its destroyed. If the law is overturned, they have to return the item or the person can sue for compensation.
If the person found with it, had stolen it, and the actual owner could be determined, and that person lives outside the city—the owner could get it returned to him.
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Targeted or not I think there is a point here being ignored that we should all be able to agree on that isn’t quite right. If acting on your situational awareness and this happened to you , what would you do. He wasn’t exactly some little kid out playing with his ( squirt gun) He was an 18 yr. old adult pointing a gun ( albeit a toy) at some random person at 1:30am in the morning! Again I ask, what would you have done in this situation?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
IDGAF what legal memo some NYPD lawyer issues.
If the government takes private property without a conviction, or compensation, then it's theft.
You can wrap it in whatever rulings or anything else you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the NYPD stole some kids squirt gun.
This isn't even the most egregious example, but it is the same thing as the departments who declare a pile of cash "a public nuisance" and just steal it so they can spruce up the break room.
Departments that do that sort of thing are as bad as the criminals, maybe worse.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
or drug money they like to call it .. then they play the "Civil Asset Forfeiture" game .. where you have to prove the money is not drug money .. not the cops ..
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
What would I have done? I guess what would you have done? Certainly I hope that answer isn’t met it with deadly force. Remember he was short with it and it’s a gel ball not a bullet. If it was a BB or pellet gun I get the deadly force situation, but certainly not in this case. There’s no reason for me or anyone else to think my life was in danger.
As for me and what I would have done. I’d have accessed the situation, place my hand on my forearm ready to draw IF need be, called the police to report it, and walked somewhere safe like a building or whatever was open and well lit. Does this mean whoever wouldn’t have followed me in there no, but at least I’d have reported it to the police and if they continue to follow then they are escalating it. Hard to say since we don’t know all the specifics, but deadly force isn’t justified IMO.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Many things are illegal and many of them are ignored. If you walk by a junkie shooting up are their drugs and needles confiscated or does the NYPD just walk by them? How about public nudity, lewdness, or people showing their naked body parts to kids at the gay pride parade? I’ll bet those are ignored, but they will confiscate something that has no reason to be illegal in the first place. This ban is absurd to begin with so for them to devote time and resources to this is appalling.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
So you are okay with a stranger coming up and shooting you, your kids, your wife or mother with one of these things?
That’s basically what happened in this case and he chose the wrong guy.
It’s a safe product if everyone is wearing eye protection. But these strangers getting hit aren’t.
And if one is getting caught with one of these things in NYC, they are using it in a place they shouldn’t be using it . This isn’t someone’s backyard we are talking about.
so you are ok with killing people who do things that you don't like?
Looks like you solved the overpopulation problem.