NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision
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Bob
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Held: New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense
I was wrong picking June 30th..
I'm ok with it
I'm ok with it
Who authored the opinion
135 pages
Thomas
maverick52
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"Put simply, there is no his- torical basis for New York to effectively declare the island of Manhattan a “sensitive place” simply because it is crowded and protected generally by the New York City Po- lice Department."
zorro
.357 mag
Cue Liberal Media meltdown and massive "where you cant carry" lists!!
Deplorable Me
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maverick52
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This definition of “bear” naturally encompasses public carry. Most gun owners do not wear a holstered pistol at their hip in their bedroom or while sitting at the dinner ta- ble.
maverick52
.223 Rem
Long read- all the better for future cases
Deplorable Me
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subsonic
.44 mag
Thomas with
My first scan of the syllabus shows that the holding is relatively narrow as expected; the "proper cause" carry requirement is held to violate the 2A; this doesn't touch anything else about the licensing scheme. But importantly it does shift a considerable burden on the state to show that restrictions on carrying are supportable, and it found that a "proper cause" requirement for carrying does not meet that burden.
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BerettaGuy
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The New York "proper cause" requirement violates the Constitution, Thomas explains, because it only allows public-carry licenses when an applicant shows a special need for self-defense.
Deplorable Me
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Most.
zorro
.357 mag
So how will this work then - may not be too clear as yet
If I have a NYS permit, does that now mean I can carry across all of NYS, including NYC...............or will I now need a "seperate carry permit"
If I have a NYS permit, does that now mean I can carry across all of NYS, including NYC...............or will I now need a "seperate carry permit"
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
On the surface it may appear that way, but it may just mean that NYC residents can finally get a permit.
Modean
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The court rejects the "two-part" approach used by the courts of appeals in Second Amendment cases. "In keeping with Heller," Thomas writes, "we hold that when the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct."
96coal449
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Let us see how far this goes.
Looks like Thomas also took a shot at the 2 step approach vs Hellers text history and tradition
zorro
.357 mag
I wonder if existing permit holders (hunting, range, sportsman.........whatever they currently issue) will now need to reapply for a CCW permit or is this saying no need for a CCW permit
maverick52
.223 Rem
Alito- "I reiterate: All that we decide in this case is that the Sec- ond Amendment protects the right of law-abiding people to carry a gun outside the home for self-defense and that the Sullivan Law, which makes that virtually impossible for most New Yorkers, is unconstitutional."
BerettaGuy
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The New York "proper cause" requirement violates the Constitution.
Will it change anything for New York citizens?
Seems to me, that I have had my Constitutional Rights violated by the State of New York.
I paid big bucks to obtain permission from NY State and had to show proper cause for nothing?
Was I infringed? Yes! Yes, I was! Thanks for asking.
Looking forward to nothing changing.
Will it change anything for New York citizens?
Seems to me, that I have had my Constitutional Rights violated by the State of New York.
I paid big bucks to obtain permission from NY State and had to show proper cause for nothing?
Was I infringed? Yes! Yes, I was! Thanks for asking.
Looking forward to nothing changing.
maverick52
.223 Rem
You have a CCW permit already. The restrictions are now unconstitutional.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I'll defer to people smarter than me, but I'm reading it so far as to say that a CCW is stsill required but the administrative restrictions are not ok (I'm still reading through it)
Deplorable Me
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maverick52
.223 Rem
This helps tremendouslyfor future cases in the Lower courts. This could end the 10 round mag laws
subsonic
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This is not changing anything except that those who were denied for lack of proper cause can reapply and can't be denied on that basis, and proper cause cannot be demanded on applications going forward. If you have restricted you will still need to apply to remove the restriction. You don't need to start the permit application process over you can ask the judge to remove it from your existing permit if you have a restricted permit.
DoOver
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Happy Birthday, Justice Thomas.