Officer Fatally Shoots Family Labrador Retriever In Front of Children and Owner

[Rocpo]

One of the biggest problems I see with police is they don't teach de-escalation correctly, nor do they use the de-escalation tactics enough.

Many countries outside the US, their police don't even carry guns, unless they are called in or they are of certain rank or detail. They master and use the art of de-escalation tactics on most if not all situations.

Which brings in the fact that there is so much militarization of local and city police that it actually infringes on our armed forces. I have a few friends that are in the National Guard, that they view most police departments that buy the surplus or outright buy military style equipment as infringing on their duties, to the point of undermining their operations and training programs.

Not to change topics, and feel free to PM if you prefer. What do you think de-escalation looks like? And how are we taught de-escalation specifically?

You can only reason with reasonable people. Other countries outside the US don't have the level of non-compliance and outright hostility that we deal with. They're also somewhat homogenous countries with similar beliefs (usuallly). Don't see the difference there?

Define militarization? My agency still refuses to authorize BDU pants. Does that assuage your fear of the militarization? Is it the issuance of outer vest carriers? The reason for that is less pressure on my lower back, which is greatly appreciated. Is it some armored vehicles? Newsflash - we've had armored vehicles since the 30's. Brinks was the first to donate to police agencies. Not like we've ever needed armored protection from incoming fire ever. If you'd like specific incidents and dates I can give you several.

 

[Rocpo]

This problem will only get worse as more and more PD's lower their recruitment standards just to maintain their ranks. Experienced good cops have been forced out by the de-fund crowd, and now we enter the vicious cycle.

This PIG had no idea how to read the potential situation and plan an appropriate response. Even if he was unsure, he should have had his mace ready to deploy first, rather than his sidearm.

Also, you don't make gestures or give commands to a dog you are unfamiliar with, since you don't know how they may be interpreted. His finger pointing at the first dog may have been a command trigger for Dixie.

This. 1000x this.
Just as an FYI - Mace does NOT work on dogs. It affects tear ducts, like tear gas. Pepper spray (OC) does as it affects the mucous membranes.

 

[Depick]

I refuse to watch the video. My dog is my best friend and anyone that hurt her I would take great pleasure in inflicting my pain on them. It is getting harder and harder to support the police. It’s like they actively recruit cowardly people and people with big egos.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

First asshole - fuck him. He deserves to be fired, charged and sentenced to work in a dog shelter scooping shit for years. Too many pussies getting hired lately.
Second asshole - I'll hold judgement.

I once threatened to shoot a detective on a scene I was on. Had a DOA and he shows up. Pittie was scared shitless since her human was dead and a bunch of strangers in her house. He goes "I'll shoot that dog." I immediately replied "Not if I shoot you first. Better idea, get the fuck off my scene". Wound up wrasslin the pup into a collar and leash to take to an animal hospital. She was perfectly fine just scared.

Thank You sincerely.

 

[lrick]

This. 1000x this.
Just as an FYI - Mace does NOT work on dogs. It affects tear ducts, like tear gas. Pepper spray (OC) does as it affects the mucous membranes.

Yeah, I used the generic "mace" term and could have been more specific. Most carry OC, correct? If it works on a bear, will most likely work on a dog. Either way, sidearm should have been absolute last resort with NO question of the dogs intentions.

Fortunately there are still goods cops that keep me from losing complete faith. Thanks for that.

 

[Rocpo]

Yeah, I used the generic "mace" term and could have been more specific. Most carry OC, correct? If it works on a bear, will most likely work on a dog. Either way, sidearm should have been absolute last resort with NO question of the dogs intentions.

Fortunately there are still goods cops that keep me from losing complete faith. Thanks for that.

I was just clarifying in the event someone needs to use it on a pup. Yes, I don't know of an agency that issues mace anymore, just OC.

I agree. I'd take a bite from the dog first before discharging the firearm. But there's some weird cat guys I work with that I'd have to wonder.

 

[Rocpo]

I refuse to watch the video. My dog is my best friend and anyone that hurt her I would take great pleasure in inflicting my pain on them. It is getting harder and harder to support the police. It’s like they actively recruit cowardly people and people with big egos.

Dude, I've had rescue dogs since I bought my house. My dogs are my life. I agree with all your points.

But, simply put, we're recruited from society. Want better recruits, you need better society.

 

[Depick]

Dude, I've had rescue dogs since I bought my house. My dogs are my life. I agree with all your points.

But, simply put, we're recruited from society. Want better recruits, you need better society.

Absolutely, there is no argument from me that as a society we have degraded immensely.

 

[spat]

Dude, I've had rescue dogs since I bought my house. My dogs are my life. I agree with all your points.

But, simply put, we're recruited from society. Want better recruits, you need better society.

That's largely why good towns have good cops,a and shitty cities have shitty cops.

That and the burnout the few good cops in a shitty city will get dealing with the shitty residents.


The answer is to remove the shitty residents long term.

The problem is that the leftists in charge have installed a revolving door in those cities to guarantee no amount of policing can remove the proven scumbags.

It's also complicated by the fact that we have far too many and far too vague laws.

We should have a few criminal laws, that are harshly punished, with the criminals removed from society long term.

 

[Parzival]

I'd love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eye.

 

[prambo]

Law enforcement has fallen under the same "spell", as it were, as the Sicherheitsdienst or the Geheime Staatspolizei - we "are the authorities and you must obey", because "we represent the power of the state, and can do no wrong".

Actually, they do a LOT wrong, and someone has to just tell them...




Used to think I'd help an LEO in trouble, but...so sorry, the recent deportment of a large number of the "LEO community", worldwide, have given little reason to do so so anymore...

So I guess it's just gonna have to be...