Phoenix cops kill man responding to noise complaints

[libertysnake]

Legally? This will go down as a good shoot on the behalf of the Police.

Seems from an outside perspective, with a very short video, I think I would have done things a bit different.

If you all don't mind, I will share a small story, an incident I was involved with years ago...


I was sent to Germany in 2007 as an MP in the Ansbach DE area. I had received a call in regards to an American Service member who was, allegedly, pointing a gun out the window of his car at German Nationals. We were able to obtain his on Post residence through the vehicle registration.

We arrived at his barracks room, knocked on the door and announced ourselves as Military Police. My partner and I had our sidearms in hand, mine was at the ready, my partners was at his side. The Soldier opened the door and had the gun in his hand. We ordered him to drop the gun and get on the ground, he hesitated a bit, ordered him a second time and he complied.

The "gun" turned out to be an airsoft gun, the Soldier was quite drunk and did not understand our commands, it never crossed his mind that what he was doing was all that bad. We did not shoot him, hell, we never even charged him. I made him stomp on the air soft pistol until it was completely smashed. We informed his command of the incident and never reported it on the blotter.

Many different results can occur from a single situation. All depends on who responds to said incident.

In this case, the officer deemed it necessary to shoot the game player.

The game player deemed it necessary to answer the door to the Police knocking with a gun.

I've also heard from that "acquaintance" I know in Germany, that the cops there have far more discretion similar to what you're describing. At least, the local cops do. They tend to keep people from doing stupid things rather than just looking for reasons to charge people.

 

[Chevusa]

I think we will find that he was on something and/or was involved with some bad people and/or had a confrontation earlier in the night by the way he charged out of that door on a mission to fuck someone up. He unfortunately realized a tad too late that the cops were at his door and not who he thought it was.

 

[Robin]

He was uncuffed and he was white so no worries.
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In the current climate only an idiot comes out with a gun out.

We don't know what he thought he might be confronting. In todays climate, someone yells through my front door, anything, I look out and can't see anyone, I'm arming up, period. I won't be charging out the door though, I have a somewhat more tactical nature than that.
Robin

 

[Chevusa]

We don't know what he thought he might be confronting. In todays climate, someone yells through my front door, anything, I look out and can't see anyone, I'm arming up, period. I won't be charging out the door though, I have a somewhat more tactical nature than that.
Robin

Why would you even open the door at all?

 

[Justincase]

Why would you even open the door at all?

Exactly. I know Robin didn't imply that he would, so I'm not commenting on that, but I have an 8 year old who unless I drill it into him not to, would open the door for anyone who knocked, at any time of the day or night. It's hard to explain to him why we shouldn't do that without sullying his innocent view of the world.

 

[meketrefe]

We don't know what he thought he might be confronting. In todays climate, someone yells through my front door, anything, I look out and can't see anyone, I'm arming up, period. I won't be charging out the door though, I have a somewhat more tactical nature than that.
Robin

The most important weapom does not have a barrel, It is called intelligence.

 

[Doc8404]

The most important weapom does not have a barrel, It is called intelligence.

some on here are still waiting on that permit.

 

[Robin]

So many unknown's. Speculation can be an artful experience.
Robin

 

[spat]

Exactly. I know Robin didn't imply that he would, so I'm not commenting on that, but I have an 8 year old who unless I drill it into him not to, would open the door for anyone who knocked, at any time of the day or night. It's hard to explain to him why we shouldn't do that without sullying his innocent view of the world.

Innocence is a luxury that may become a liability.

It is always an instinct to shield children from the realities of the world, but it is not always in their best interest.

 

[Robin]

Why would you even open the door at all?

I don't know. See above.
Robin

 

[spat]

Why would you even open the door at all?

He may have assumed it was the complaining neighbor. Just wanted to tell him to get bent and go home.

Not necessarily the wisest course of action, but not what I would call reckless or unusual either.