Doug Jeffries
.177 BB
I'm thinking of getting a lever action rifle in pistol caliber, but being in NY, will I run into difficulty getting ammo because it's for a pistol (which I don't have)? Or will LGS's generally be understanding? Thanks.
Pistol ammo for lever rifle- difficult to get in NY w/o a pistol permit?
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HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
Get into reloading, you can tweak your loads and find a load the gun will like.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Dick's Sporting Goods will ask for permit, they back off if you tell them rifle.
My LGS never asks, never been asked at a gun show.
My LGS never asks, never been asked at a gun show.
Gander mountain seems to have some sort of policy, when I buy .22lr there and it gets scanned at the cash register, a question must pop up on their computer screen for the cashier to ask if it's for a pistol or long gun. I always say long gun and have never been asked any follow up questions and the transaction is uneventful.
YMMV.
YMMV.
Doug Jeffries
.177 BB
It is law. Stores are not to sell pistol ammo to someone without a matching pistol on their permit.
Dick's did ask for my permit, but they were okay when I said my .22lr was for a rifle.
freddy
.308 Win
Care to state which exact law please?
I think you will have difficultly. Store policy, yes. But a law?
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
I have .357, .44mag, 9mm rifles. I have a permit but get away without showing it by claiming the rifles. I bought the lever rifles at Dick's last century.
The stores claim it's state law but are bad liars. It's store policy and they blame the state. You might have to be 21 to buy pistol ammo, but a permit is not state or federal law.
The stores claim it's state law but are bad liars. It's store policy and they blame the state. You might have to be 21 to buy pistol ammo, but a permit is not state or federal law.
Not true at all.
Store policy, not law.
I do not know of a single caliber that does not come in a rifle and pistol.
Glenn B
.308 Win
Please cite the section of law.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i dont know the section , i do know it states .. is for pistol only .. there is only like 2 cals that are pistol only , like .32cal .. just about every other cal there is a rifle that shoots it .. IE Henry rifles .. just go to your local gun store , no issue .. big box stores they want a permit ..
Doug Jeffries
.177 BB
From the NRA-ILA website listing of NY gun laws:
"It is unlawful for any dealer in firearms to sell any ammunition designed exclusively for use in a pistol or revolver to any person who is not authorized to possess a pistol or revolver. NY Penal Law § 270.00. "
The keyword, I admit, is "exclusively." How we interpret that and how stores interpret that may vary, but I don't blame management for erring on the side of caution in this state.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
About the only calibers that manufacturers don't make rifles for are probably .25 ACP and .32 ACP. I believe there were one or two made in .32 ACP but those are scarce.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Just take the lever action to the store and butt stroke the know it all clerk.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I have never been asked for my PP. I buy from dicks 9mm and .45 acp never bought from Walmart. Gander just asks my birthday.
Look it's a law in NYC and NYC only. A gun store will never ask for anything unless they think your under age. I'm close to 40 so it's clear I can buy it. If you have trouble and your near Buffalo I'll buy it for you or just buy it on line and have it shipped to an ffl. Oh no I should not have said that.
Look it's a law in NYC and NYC only. A gun store will never ask for anything unless they think your under age. I'm close to 40 so it's clear I can buy it. If you have trouble and your near Buffalo I'll buy it for you or just buy it on line and have it shipped to an ffl. Oh no I should not have said that.
freddy
.308 Win
I stand corrected.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I wonder how/why they snuck that provision into a law that predominantly deals with fireworks? Like mentioned, the key word is "exclusively", which means only cartriges that can only be fired from pistol or revolver. The stores take this too far and take it to mean any pistol caliber, regardless if it can be fired from a rifle or shotgun. So no, it's not "law" that you have to have a permit to buy pistol caliber ammunition for your pistol caliber rifle. It's "law" that you need a permit to buy ammunition that can only be fired from a pistol or revolver.
From penal code 270.00, the last two sections, I add:
4. Sales of ammunition not prohibited. Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to prevent, or interfere in any way with, the sale of ammunition for revolvers or pistols of any kind, or for rifles, shot guns, or other arms, belonging or which may belong to any persons whether as sporting or hunting weapons or for the purpose of protection to them in their homes, or, as they may go abroad; and manufacturers are authorized to continue to manufacture, and wholesalers and dealers to continue to deal in and freely to sell ammunition to all such persons for such purposes.
5. Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision four of this section, it shall be unlawful for any dealer in firearms to sell any ammunition designed exclusively for use in a pistol or revolver to any person, not authorized to possess a pistol or revolver. The violation of this section shall constitute a class B misdemeanor.
From penal code 270.00, the last two sections, I add:
4. Sales of ammunition not prohibited. Nothing contained in this section shall be construed to prevent, or interfere in any way with, the sale of ammunition for revolvers or pistols of any kind, or for rifles, shot guns, or other arms, belonging or which may belong to any persons whether as sporting or hunting weapons or for the purpose of protection to them in their homes, or, as they may go abroad; and manufacturers are authorized to continue to manufacture, and wholesalers and dealers to continue to deal in and freely to sell ammunition to all such persons for such purposes.
5. Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision four of this section, it shall be unlawful for any dealer in firearms to sell any ammunition designed exclusively for use in a pistol or revolver to any person, not authorized to possess a pistol or revolver. The violation of this section shall constitute a class B misdemeanor.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Me too.
E the massive
.308 Win
Order online.
.380 auto, 9x23 Winchester, 9x25 Dillon, there are a few others but you get the point.
If you are buying a caliber that can be fired in a rifle, this law DOES NOT apply. That is the only way to interpret it
If they interpret that differently, go somewhere else because that IS NOT the law.
Most of us have read that part of the law but unless using an unusual caliber, it means nothing, its NOT THE LAW.
These same sellers will claim you must have the caliber youre buying clearly stated on your permit. The law does not say that either.
Like the law states, you cannot drive with an alcohol level .08 or above. If you are driving with a .00, the law does not apply and you cannot be held accountable to the law.
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What if I made one?.380 auto, 9x23 Winchester, 9x25 Dillon, there are a few others but you get the point.
Why would I do that with all the other choices of pre-made barrels and parts?
Because I want to be difficult.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Based on the noise of the past few days the "fireworks" law , (the law that snuck it into) is another law being ignored by the masses.
Yes, its odd this is in 270 which is the public saftey codes.
Those 2 sections pretty much contradict each other.
@thewheels
.308 Win
Just don't buy it in a box store. Find an FFL close to you that won't rip you off for a transfer fee and order online.