Police Shoot Unarmed Man Answering the Door

[SonOfSun]

Most of the time I agree with you but not this time Hoss. You can CLEARLY see he hands his hands up when he came to the door and when they fired on him. Maybe they saw the robot in his hands.

1. Should've identified it wasn't in fact a weapon. Just because he has something in his hands doesn't make it a gun.
2. Even if it was a gun, with his hands raised he can't point / fire it at officers. No threat.

They thew the robot into the house. So they don't know the shape of the thing they are trained to operate, transported to the house, carried to the door, and tossed in? If there is *anything* they should be able to identify in someones hand it's this.

Also the cops responded to shots fired *hours* later? What do they think the shooter is going to do? Hang around? Yeah, because that's what criminals do.. they shoot someone and pitch a tent overnight right where it happened.

 

[libertysnake]

They probably thought the robot in his hand was a gun.

But his hands were up in the air, he wasn't pointing his hands at them. So even if they thought it was, he wasn't pointing it at them. They're just trigger happy and they shot him. Just like if we did this, they should get the same treatment we would.

 

[spat]

I have a feeling he will be a very rich man. He did nothing wrong at all, had his hands up, made no aggressive movements at all. If I was on the jury I get give him time too amount he could get and then ask if I could give him more because they shot him and left him lie there. They made zero move to assist him at all. It’s a joke.

If he had died, would the apply the felony murder rule ?

Would that mean everyone involved in the raid was guilty, right down to the guy that filled out the warrant ?

It's how they'd handle it for any other criminal enterprise.

 

[spat]

Lots to say. No particular order to what I see.

I will start with the guy first. The Police were called due to shots being fired. Okay, good so far. There was a chance that a hostage may be in the building. Not sure where that info comes from... Anyway the guy, he approaches the door raising his voice, opens the door in the dark with an object in his hand that could very well resemble a hand gun. Looks almost like a flashlight. either way, as he walks out the door, he appears to point that object towards the officers. My guess, he had little to no idea who was out in front and was using the light to check on things or to light the steps leaving the building.

They shoot the guy, good shoot or not, not for me to judge at this time. They know they shot him and still demanding that he comes out with hands raised above his head. Kind of stupid in my opinion. While two officers walk over him, another officer approaches and only asks where he was shot. No rush to give him aid. Bit of a black eye there as well for the Police.

I spoke of cameras at great length in another thread. Cameras are everywhere and the Police should understand this by now. They step back in the home, unknown to them that they are on camera. More mistakes made in their comments.

Qualified Immunity. I hear this term often and I am not sure if people understand what this means. I hear many saying, I hope the cop loses his immunity. Most cases, this never occurs. In this situation, the cops are more likely than not, NOT going to have their Qualified Immunity revoked. All things in this incident will be investigated. This will be seen as a good shoot by the Police. I know many will not like to read this. It makes me sick that they shot this man, but, more than likely, it will show that they followed department policy and procedure.

The man came out of his house, not with his hands up, pointing what appears to be a weapon at the Police. They shot him.

Again, I do not like what I see on this video. I do not foresee them being charged, and if so, there will be no conviction. This picture is what they will use as their justification of the Use of Force.

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If your procedures lead to this, the the guys who wrote them need to be liable.

"Just following procedure" is not an excuse for a clown show like this. Either the clowns are responsible, or the ringmaster is, but *someone* was at fault.

 

[GOPerfect]

If your procedures lead to this, the the guys who wrote them need to be liable.

"Just following procedure" is not an excuse for a clown show like this. Either the clowns are responsible, or the ringmaster is, but *someone* was at fault.

Not saying one way or another. My comment was in reference to the losing of qualified immunity. Nothing else. I do not know this departments policy on Use of Force, but, if the cops are able to articulate why this level of force was used, they will be covered under that immunity.

And, again, I am NOT defending these actions at all. Pointing out facts with zero emotion attached.

 

[spat]

Not saying one way or another. My comment was in reference to the losing of qualified immunity. Nothing else. I do not know this departments policy on Use of Force, but, if the cops are able to articulate why this level of force was used, they will be covered under that immunity.

And, again, I am NOT defending these actions at all. Pointing out facts with zero emotion attached.

I understand.

I am just saying that if qualified immunity gets an individual officer off the hook because they followed procedure, it should put the department *on* the hook for having shitty procedures.

 

[GOPerfect]

I understand.

I am just saying that if qualified immunity gets an individual officer off the hook because they followed procedure, it should put the department *on* the hook for having shitty procedures.

Eye of the beholder, I guess. I am sure if you looked through my P&P, you would find serious issues as well.

 

[Jmac00]

its the two tier justice system. I still say if there cops are outside yelling, one should be overly cautious when opening the door.

it doesn't matter if the cops get in trouble for discharging their firearm. The fact remain YOU GOT SHOT, period. YOU are the one in pain for the next 6 months or more.

just be very careful answering the door

 

[Acer-m14]

I still say if there cops are outside yelling, one should be overly cautious when opening the door.

 

[RedBreast21]

"In the early morning hours of December 13th, 2022, officers from the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Department obtained a search warrant for a residence in Bear Paw, NC after a disturbance call made to 911 dispatch hours earlier."

So am I to understand that some officer woke up a judge in the early morning hours to get a search warrant based on a disturbance call?

There is more to this than meets the eye. I'll take a wait and see position on this.

Shooting any unarmed person or suspect is a major problem and is rooted in poor training. When it comes to these RAINBOW 6 playing small town SWAT teams it often boils to nepotism on how members are selected. I have been around enough officers from major cities to small towns, from street officers to SWAT, ESU....ect and there are only a few that I feel had the mental aptitude for the job. Most shouldn't be within 10 feet of a firearm. But I do have high standards. lol Uvalde proved my position that I have held for many years.

If your not willing to train on your own, commit to the level of exposed danger for the safety of the public, then SWAT isn't for you. It really is that simple.

 

[Saltwater60]

Lesson learned, when answering the door with cops yelling on the other side, open the door and step the fuck back, show both hands are empty and S L O W L Y move forward, showing empty hands first. S L O W L Y move to the door.
Obviously the most important lesson, is to have a camera running

Fuck that. I wont even move forward. Sick my hands out the door and they can come get me then. If another cop is right there grabbing my hands they likely won’t shoot their buddy or take that chance. If I move into the doorway I’m there alone and there’s a better chance they will shoot.