Question about pinned AR Magazine capacity

[Edwardteach72]

 

[Edwardteach72]

Citation?

Penal code

 

[subsonic]

Penal code

Yeah I guess this:
“ 23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, that (a) has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition,”

Well, they sell them here. Has anyone ever been charged for possession of a 10/30 Hexmag?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yeah I guess this:
“ 23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, that (a) has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition,”

Well, they sell them here. Has anyone ever been charged for possession of a 10/30 Hexmag?

And the penal code comment wasnt me trying to be a dick for once. But I pre expected you to ask for a citation (which I would have done the same) so I was already trying to get it lol.

But as for arrested for the most part wouldnt be an issue unless the gun sadly had to be looked at for whatever reason (which means that is the least of your concerns at that point)

This is one reason why 10 round mags for handguns like glock have a slightly different design, cant put new guys in a mag to make them 15 rounds with out major modifications (and this is why 10 round mags don't work with most magwells, speaking got glock mags)

 

[subsonic]

And the penal code comment wasnt me trying to be a dick for once. But I pre expected you to ask for a citation (which I would have done the same) so I was already trying to get it lol.

But as for arrested for the most part wouldnt be an issue unless the gun sadly had to be looked at for whatever reason (which means that is the least of your concerns at that point)

This is one reason why 10 round mags for handguns like glock have a slightly different design, cant put new guys in a mag to make them 15 rounds with out major modifications (and this is why 10 round mags don't work with most magwells, speaking got glock mags)

Right, and I should have known about that “readily converted” bit. Sucks. There are a LOT of Hexmags out there though and I hope there are a LOT of them upstate.

It’s a small thing in our shitty gun law state but at least that.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Right, and I should have known about that “readily converted” bit. Sucks. There are a LOT of Hexmags out there though and I hope there are a LOT of them upstate.

It’s a small thing in our shitty gun law state but at least that.

The silver lining is AR mags are generally super cheap so honestly I (while not ideal) would be ok stocking up on 10 rounders and then taking a bath if 30 rounders became legal and just get a bunch of gi mags cheap while building up a stock pile of pmags

 

[pramaglia]

The Hexmag is sweet and it is compliant.

Just taking out the riser isn’t sufficient to get a functional 30 round mag. You will get 30 in but not 30 out. You also have to replace the spring. So having standard springs does make them a nice route to having mags that you can convert when going to free states or if the law is overturned and you don’t get stuck with your dick out scrambling for mags in a rush before some arbitrary deadline like they did in California.

With the riser in these are 10 round mags! Law doesn’t say anything about permanence. You might not want to buy them in the same order as the springs or take them afield together, but the springs are just springs and the mags are just 10 round mags.

I think NY State does in fact mean permanent modification. This is what the NY Safe Act website says regarding magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. I assume they mean you have to modify the magazine so it cannot be coverted back to more than 10 rounds. It would have to be modified by some sort of method that cannot be easily undone if at all. Like a welded in place bottom plate to prevent you from changing the bottom plate or spring.
Q: I have guns in my inventory that are now defined as assault weapons and magazines that can contain more than ten rounds. What can I do with them?
A: You can transfer them to another dealer or sell them out of state or to law enforcement. You can also permanently modify these guns and magazines and sell them in state.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

My FFL sold me my AR with a 30 round Hex Mag with a 10 round limiter installed. I personally didn't feel comfortable with a 30 round magazine from what I have read regarding the NY Safe Act magazine limitations. I am concerned that NY State would say that my magazine is not premanently modified if it can be converted back to 30 rounds just by removing the bottom plate and removing the 10 round limiter. So I changed out the 30 round magazine for a 10 round Magpul magazine and bought a 5 round limiter for it, so I can use the rifle for hunting. When I am at the range I take the 5 round limiter out and I have a 10 round magazine. When I take the rifle hunting I put the 5 round limiter back in. Also, the magazine release has been changed out for a non functioning release. Here are two pictures. One with the original 30 round magazine and then with the new 10 round magazine.

You're a liar. Nooo onnuhh hunttzz with anh AR!!

 

[pramaglia]

You're a liar. Nooo onnuhh hunttzz with anh AR!!

Actually I am going woodchuck hunting with it tomorrow. I even have a tripod mount for it.

 

[subsonic]

The silver lining is AR mags are generally super cheap so honestly I (while not ideal) would be ok stocking up on 10 rounders and then taking a bath if 30 rounders became legal and just get a bunch of gi mags cheap while building up a stock pile of pmags

I never understood that attitude... I’ve seen that said here and in Calguns forums where the attitude is all around (understandable) doom, gloom and paranoia, but when it comes to standard AR mags ppl say pmags and GI mags are cheap, just buy them when you need them. Yeah AR mags are cheap now, but in future? When MAGAzines were legal for a week in California 30 rd mags AND springs basically sold out nationwide and the usual places it took a month or more for availability to come back. While a lot of mags moved that week a lot of folks got squeezed out, and others who aren’t even Californians had to wait for supply to come back.

Or laws can change for the worse in more states. While they might be gray area in NY I think Hexmags are a good option for folks in NY to stock up on. Just don’t be the first person charged with “readily convertible,” unless you are prepared to fight and win that in the Supreme Court, lol.

I think NY State does in fact mean permanent modification. This is what the NY Safe Act website says regarding magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. I assume they mean you have to modify the magazine so it cannot be coverted back to more than 10 rounds. It would have to be modified by some sort of method that cannot be easily undone if at all. Like a welded in place bottom plate to prevent you from changing the bottom plate or spring.

Yeah well, I don’t trust NYSP, and anyway this isn’t quite the same. 10/30 Hexmags aren’t converted 30 round mags, they do share the same body but they were manufactured with risers and 10 rd springs. They never had 30 round capacity, unless you “remanufacture” them. Like a Mossberg Shockwave is legal because it never had a stock. There’s still the unsettled question of whether it is readily convertible but it’s not a matter of reversing a modification that never happened.

One thing that’s absolutely clear, is that if Hexmags are illegal, then Hexmag and every other vendor shipping them to New York is committing a crime openly. I’d worry more when they stop shipping.

 

[pramaglia]

I never understood that attitude... I’ve seen that said here and in Calguns forums where the attitude is all around (understandable) doom, gloom and paranoia, but when it comes to standard AR mags ppl say pmags and GI mags are cheap, just buy them when you need them. Yeah AR mags are cheap now, but in future? When MAGAzines were legal for a week in California 30 rd mags AND springs basically sold out nationwide and the usual places it took a month or more for availability to come back. While a lot of mags moved that week a lot of folks got squeezed out, and others who aren’t even Californians had to wait for supply to come back.

Or laws can change for the worse in more states. While they might be gray area in NY I think Hexmags are a good option for folks in NY to stock up on. Just don’t be the first person charged with “readily convertible,” unless you are prepared to fight and win that in the Supreme Court, lol.


Yeah well, I don’t trust NYSP, and anyway this isn’t quite the same. 10/30 Hexmags aren’t converted 30 round mags, they do share the same body but they were manufactured with risers and 10 rd springs. They never had 30 round capacity, unless you “remanufacture” them. Like a Mossberg Shockwave is legal because it never had a stock. There’s still the unsettled question of whether it is readily convertible but it’s not a matter of reversing a modification that never happened.

One thing that’s absolutely clear, is that if Hexmags are illegal, then Hexmag and every other vendor shipping them to New York is committing a crime openly. I’d worry more when they stop shipping.

It's actually pretty simple to convert a 10 round hex mag to 30 rounds for about $4.00

 

[Edwardteach72]

I never understood that attitude... I’ve seen that said here and in Calguns forums where the attitude is all around (understandable) doom, gloom and paranoia, but when it comes to standard AR mags ppl say pmags and GI mags are cheap, just buy them when you need them. Yeah AR mags are cheap now, but in future? When MAGAzines were legal for a week in California 30 rd mags AND springs basically sold out nationwide and the usual places it took a month or more for availability to come back. While a lot of mags moved that week a lot of folks got squeezed out, and others who aren’t even Californians had to wait for supply to come back.

Or laws can change for the worse in more states. While they might be gray area in NY I think Hexmags are a good option for folks in NY to stock up on. Just don’t be the first person charged with “readily convertible,” unless you are prepared to fight and win that in the Supreme Court, lol.


Yeah well, I don’t trust NYSP, and anyway this isn’t quite the same. 10/30 Hexmags aren’t converted 30 round mags, they do share the same body but they were manufactured with risers and 10 rd springs. They never had 30 round capacity, unless you “remanufacture” them. Like a Mossberg Shockwave is legal because it never had a stock. There’s still the unsettled question of whether it is readily convertible but it’s not a matter of reversing a modification that never happened.

One thing that’s absolutely clear, is that if Hexmags are illegal, then Hexmag and every other vendor shipping them to New York is committing a crime openly. I’d worry more when they stop shipping.

No.dont get me wrong what im saying is with the price to get all the shit to turn a hex mag back to a 30 rounder, how much are you really saving over the cost of a new magazine? So to me trying to play neuter and hope that some DA doesnt want to push the issue (and would win) I'll stick with a standard 10 rounder and hopefully one day get to buy 30 rounders

 

[pramaglia]

No.dont get me wrong what im saying is with the price to get all the shit to turn a hex mag back to a 30 rounder, how much are you really saving over the cost of a new magazine? So to me trying to play neuter and hope that some DA doesnt want to push the issue (and would win) I'll stick with a standard 10 rounder and hopefully one day get to buy 30 rounders

Actuslly, Hexmag just made the bottom plate fixed. I just read it on their website. This is really dumb. In NY, if you have a fixed magazine AR and you get a double feed or other issue that requires you to unload the magazine to clear the weapon, you can no longer remove the bottom plate to empty the magaziine on the newer Hexmags. Here is what their website says.

"State / County / City laws and regulations regarding limited round capacity magazines continue to be implemented and/or changed on an ongoing basis. Because each of these State / County / City capacity laws can be written or interpreted differently, Hexmag has elected to permanently affix the baseplate on all limited capacity magazines. This includes the 10 and 15 round AR15 and 10 round SR25 magazines. The baseplate will be secured to the HexID restricting access to modifications and takedown."

 

[subsonic]

No.dont get me wrong what im saying is with the price to get all the shit to turn a hex mag back to a 30 rounder, how much are you really saving over the cost of a new magazine? So to me trying to play neuter and hope that some DA doesnt want to push the issue (and would win) I'll stick with a standard 10 rounder and hopefully one day get to buy 30 rounders

Well, before this breaking news about fixing base plates all you needed was a standard spring.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Well, before this breaking news about fixing base plates all you needed was a standard spring.

Wait what? Sorry I'm confused now

 

[Edwardteach72]

Oh I see what you are saying now. Which again would not hold up in court based on how the law is written

 

[subsonic]

Actuslly, Hexmag just made the bottom plate fixed. I just read it on their website. This is really dumb. In NY, if you have a fixed magazine AR and you get a double feed or other issue that requires you to unload the magazine to clear the weapon, you can no longer remove the bottom plate to empty the magaziine on the newer Hexmags. Here is what their website says.

"State / County / City laws and regulations regarding limited round capacity magazines continue to be implemented and/or changed on an ongoing basis. Because each of these State / County / City capacity laws can be written or interpreted differently, Hexmag has elected to permanently affix the baseplate on all limited capacity magazines. This includes the 10 and 15 round AR15 and 10 round SR25 magazines. The baseplate will be secured to the HexID restricting access to modifications and takedown."

Derp. My post sure didn’t age well. Wonder what prompted that. It’s bad news, but there are certainly a lot of the unriveted ones circulating.

 

[Acer-m14]

this is why NYSP sucks ..

Q: I have guns in my inventory that are now defined as assault weapons and magazines that can contain more than ten rounds. What can I do with them?
A: You can transfer them to another dealer or sell them out of state or to law enforcement. You can also permanently modify these guns and magazines and sell them in state.

you can sell them to a dealer or others ..

2 .. you can modify them and mags and sill have to sell them .. but you can't keep them LOL . .. WTF!!!! ...

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Actually I am going woodchuck hunting with it tomorrow. I even have a tripod mount for it.

I was only joking. Anti gun people constantly say that no one hunts with ARs

 

[subsonic]

It's actually pretty simple to convert a 10 round hex mag to 30 rounds for about $4.00

Too bad I lost all my Hexmags in a tragic boating accident. Crazy how that happens.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Too bad I lost all my Hexmags in a tragic boating accident. Crazy how that happens.

Not sure what it is about us gun owners but we really are bad with boats