RedBreast21
.223 Rem
1 in 12 twist rate is fine for long range with bullets in 155 - 190gr. But the 1 in 10 twist will let you play with heavier bullets if you get into hand loading. Good luck. Savage is a good choice.
recommendation for a new 308 long range bolt action
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The rate is not determined by the bullet weight alone but the bullet speed, design and length. That is why solid copper bullets need faster twist, they are a lot longer.
In fact the best solid bullets and modern powders are what makes the 308 an amazing long range cartridge specially when something serious needs to be done at impact vs 6mm and 6.5mm that fall short.
So again, it depends what a shooter wants to do. The how comes after the what and why and not the other way around.
I dont buy a corvette and then return it to the dealer next day saying you sold me a horrible family car.
In fact the best solid bullets and modern powders are what makes the 308 an amazing long range cartridge specially when something serious needs to be done at impact vs 6mm and 6.5mm that fall short.
So again, it depends what a shooter wants to do. The how comes after the what and why and not the other way around.
I dont buy a corvette and then return it to the dealer next day saying you sold me a horrible family car.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
lets see I currently own 4 remington 700 or maybe 5 2 are hunting rifles the rest are varmint 26" heavy barrel so I'm well aquainted with the 700 I have nothing against bergara at all I just have never seen shot or held 1 so untill that happens they are not in the runing savage i've owned and know people who still own and shoot them a little hit and miss better than ruger and if i go the new rifle route they are in the running
I posted a thread about this article awhile back.
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The quality of the equipment tends to be proportional to the money invested into it. It is not unusual to spend 5-6k in rifle and glass just to get started in Long Range and if one is serious to be able to start competing. Also some investment aside for professional training if one has never had any.
Savage gives you a good value in entry level with better than average in starting packages with the 16 LRP being the most accurate out of the box.
Bergara gives you the best value no question. It gives you features and quality of rifles 2-3 times their price tag.
They are based on the strong breach / head of the R700 but 10 times better to get started with a better footing in the long range game.
Folks want opinions. Those are some opinions with some facts to go with them.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
went to Cabela's in hartford ct today they had no bergara rifles at all the clerk said they didn't have much call for them he had no opinion on them 1 way or the other they did have 3 savage 110 with the chassis stock 2 in 6.5 creed on 1 in 338 lapua pretty crude actions considering they were just a bit north of $1500 also had a couple of Tikka's 2 hunting style and 1 tactical they were a lot slicker than the savage's and a deal cheaper the rifles that really impressed me were the christensen not sure i spelled that right same price as the savage and smooth as silk no machining marks just really nice any opinion's on them
well said but untill I can hold and maybe shoot a Bergara they are not on my short list.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
I posted a thread about this article awhile back.
How a Marine, a Texan, and Spanish Investors Shook Up the Gun Industry
In the last 10 years, rifles have gotten more accurate. Production rifles and factory rifles, hunting rifles and precision rifles, civilian rifles and military rifles, big bores and rimfires, expensive guns and cheap ones — a .
not sure if I have any confidence in this video why would I care what a Marine thinks there hasn't been a Marine sniper make it to the international sniper games in years the army amu is a totally different story spanish steel has no real big following in the world German Sweedish American and Japanese would make me take notice and exactly why would i care about spanish investors waste of time thatI posted a thread about this article awhile back.
How a Marine, a Texan, and Spanish Investors Shook Up the Gun Industry
In the last 10 years, rifles have gotten more accurate. Production rifles and factory rifles, hunting rifles and precision rifles, civilian rifles and military rifles, big bores and rimfires, expensive guns and cheap ones — a .
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The Christensen rifles have some Very good reviews and quite a following. There is quite a lot of info. on them if you do the research.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Yeah, but now your thread got me thinking about how this should be on my short list. Just have to figure out how to convince my wife she needs it.
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oc shooter
.223 Rem
that's pretty sweetYeah, but now your thread got me thinking about how this should be on my short list. Just have to figure out how to convince my wife she needs it.
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DELTA 5® PRO, 20”, .308, HPALMA
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Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It was not the Marine nor the Spaniard that caught my attention in this article it was the Texan with 13 world championships Ed Shilen.
But good luck on what you do chose!
oc shooter
.223 Rem
Ed Shilen is a true champion bur I doubt that Ed has his hand on every barrel he's probably more of a consulton than anything else again I've nothing against Bergara I'm just the type of person who likes to kick the tires and take the car for a test drive advertisements and video's might get me to look at something but i have to see it touch it or maybe shoot it that's why I drove to Hartford Ct to cabela;s hoping they would have 1 in stock to tell the truth I'm leaning more and more toward rebarreling my remington vtr I've never owned a shilen barrel but I've had 2 Hart's and both are exceotionel
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
They actually made substantial changes after they partnered with shilen.
Their barrels were already very good and sold them separately. Now they are in the top league in terms of manufacturing process and quality.
You guys know me and what I do. I could care less about any brands they do not give me anything. But after the experiences with bergara barrels and actions I can confidently say that they are the best value out there wo even getting into the line made in their Georgia plant.
Ask the others in here that got into the bergara and see what they think.
They raised the bar so high.
Tintalieau
.40 S&W
Bought the parts and was my 1st built, shouild 1/2" groups at 500, with my old eys and shaky hands, with a better shooter, i'm sure it can do much much better.
Tintalieau
.40 S&W
oc shooter
.223 Rem
ok just pulled the trigger on a new Hart barrel 26" varmint taper 3 to 4 months to get it then how ever long for the smith to install still may buy a Tikka shot a 7mm 08 Tikka last week it was 1 smooth rifle I kinda like the bolt lift better than the remington 90 degree what the hell if I can find 1 I'll let it follow me home
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Anything that can be done by the 308 can be done with the 6.5 Grendel. Once I get settled in here, I have to get my Howa 6.5 out and find a place to go so I can stretch it out.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
I wouldn't necessarily overlook the Howa 1500.
Out of stock at the moment at Brownells
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but they come back from time to time.
I have the 6.5 Grendel in their 1500 mini action. 20" heavy barrel. I dropped it in a B&C M40 stock. First time out, after zeroing the scope, I was able to put 5 rounds of factory Hornady Black through a single ragged hole at 100 yards.
There are several reviews online touting similar results from the 308
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but they come back from time to time.
I have the 6.5 Grendel in their 1500 mini action. 20" heavy barrel. I dropped it in a B&C M40 stock. First time out, after zeroing the scope, I was able to put 5 rounds of factory Hornady Black through a single ragged hole at 100 yards.
There are several reviews online touting similar results from the 308
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here.
One might love the properties of a 6.5 compact cartridge but wo getting into the fantasy world and baseless comparisons.
IrishMick
.44 mag
I have a Howa 1500 HB in .308 and even with my marginal abilities obtain sub MOA groupings with not special factory ammo.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
Howa is a pretty good rifle my son owns 1 and it's not bad at all don't know why i forgot about them but the deed is done I'm rebarreling with a hart 26 remington varmint taper with a 1 in 10 twist
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Howas give a decent value and will please many shooters.
However they are not optimal for haeavy use or to put a lot of heat with heavy cartriges.
Their actions are not known for their strength (design and material) like a savage lrp tubular cut or the strength of a 700 or M70 blueprint.
Similar situation we have with modern ruger, and the mossberg rifles even worse. Aside from discussing the lower limits before catastrofic failure it comes the discussion of consistency and repeatability under heat.
If anyone is interested we can bring up pictures and details again even those can be found in old threads. I wish it was easier to find old content.
However they are not optimal for haeavy use or to put a lot of heat with heavy cartriges.
Their actions are not known for their strength (design and material) like a savage lrp tubular cut or the strength of a 700 or M70 blueprint.
Similar situation we have with modern ruger, and the mossberg rifles even worse. Aside from discussing the lower limits before catastrofic failure it comes the discussion of consistency and repeatability under heat.
If anyone is interested we can bring up pictures and details again even those can be found in old threads. I wish it was easier to find old content.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
ok next question now that I've decided on the Hart barrel what trigger do you recommend? I have the stock trigger pulling at 2 lbs pretty consistently. I'd like it to be around 1 lb thinking Timmeny