Red flag and guns seized in Buffalo after a school threat

[Saltwater60]

So a 16 year old kid made a threat online and they got a red flag order to take guns, of any, and search the home. They searched the home and arrested the kid. Kid is charged with making threats and possession of firearms. Then two other adults were charged with possession of the same two firearms? How can three people be charged with illegally posing the same two firearms? The kid or one of the adults had possession of them not all three.
It’s so worth noting that the kid was released almost immediately so now he can comity his planned crime and all we will hear about is how it’s the guns fault.

I’m glad the threat was taken seriously and the kid is being monitored or getting help, but seriously this doesn’t seem right to me or like a good way to handle this. The kids either a danger or not so he should not be released right?

Red flag law used as Buffalo teen charged following online school threat

An online threat posted last week against a student at Hutchinson Central Technical High School led to the seizure of guns and the arrest of three people Sunday, including a 16-year-old who police and prosecutors say threatened a classmate.

buffalonews.com

 

[Getzville 068]

I'm confused. What makes this a red flag order and not just an ordinary search warrant ?

 

[holdover]

 

[Acer-m14]

"It's the kind of case that, starting next month, will be handled by a new specialized unit at the Buffalo Police Department that will investigate cases involving threats to mass gatherings, racially and ethnically motivated extremism and other crimes."

so the new NFL buffalo stadium will not be built .. mass gatherings of the league of felons

 

[Cavalry]

So a 16 year old kid made a threat online and they got a red flag order to take guns, of any, and search the home. They searched the home and arrested the kid. Kid is charged with making threats and possession of firearms. Then two other adults were charged with possession of the same two firearms? How can three people be charged with illegally posing the same two firearms? The kid or one of the adults had possession of them not all three.

Thats a thing if its nearby but not in a single persons possession. They do it all the time when they search a car and find a pistol or drugs under the seat, everyone gets blown in.

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm confused. What makes this a red flag order and not just an ordinary search warrant ?

They were notified of a threat and then a red flag order was issued by the judge along with a search warrant. I don’t know beyond that but I see your point.

 

[Saltwater60]

Thats a thing if its nearby but not in a single persons possession. They do it all the time when they search a car and find a pistol or drugs under the seat, everyone gets blown in.

That all well and good but it can’t be all three of theirs guns. How can this stand up in court?

 

[Cavalry]

That all well and good but it can’t be all three of theirs guns. How can this stand up in court?

Presumptive possession, § 265.15

2013 New York Consolidated Laws :: PEN - Penal :: Part 3 - SPECIFIC OFFENSES :: Title P - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY :: Article 265 - (265.00 - 265.45) FIREARMS AND OTHER DANGEROUS WEAPONS :: 265.15 - Presumptions of possession, unlawful intent a

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[Saltwater60]

Presumptive possession, § 265.15

2013 New York Consolidated Laws :: PEN - Penal :: Part 3 - SPECIFIC OFFENSES :: Title P - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC SAFETY :: Article 265 - (265.00 - 265.45) FIREARMS AND OTHER DANGEROUS WEAPONS :: 265.15 - Presumptions of possession, unlawful intent a

law.justia.com

That’s all bullshit. No one in my house even knows what guns I have but me. I buy them, bring them home, and I store them. My wife and kids don’t know the safe combinations even. I can’t see how this can hold up in court.

 

[Acer-m14]

I can’t see how this can hold up in court.

how much $$$$$ do you have to fight it to SCOTUS ..

 

[GOPerfect]

So a 16 year old kid made a threat online and they got a red flag order to take guns, of any, and search the home. They searched the home and arrested the kid. Kid is charged with making threats and possession of firearms. Then two other adults were charged with possession of the same two firearms? How can three people be charged with illegally posing the same two firearms? The kid or one of the adults had possession of them not all three.
It’s so worth noting that the kid was released almost immediately so now he can comity his planned crime and all we will hear about is how it’s the guns fault.

I’m glad the threat was taken seriously and the kid is being monitored or getting help, but seriously this doesn’t seem right to me or like a good way to handle this. The kids either a danger or not so he should not be released right?

Red flag law used as Buffalo teen charged following online school threat

An online threat posted last week against a student at Hutchinson Central Technical High School led to the seizure of guns and the arrest of three people Sunday, including a 16-year-old who police and prosecutors say threatened a classmate.

buffalonews.com

Anyone in the are of the guns are charged if no one steps up an admits ownership. Happens all of the time. They use this as leverage.

 

[Acer-m14]

Anyone in the are of the guns are charged if no one steps up an admits ownership. Happens all of the time. They use this as leverage.

same with Drugs or Alcohol ..

 

[spat]

Anyone in the are of the guns are charged if no one steps up an admits ownership. Happens all of the time. They use this as leverage.

Yes, blackmail and extortion are perfectly legal when the government does it.

It's disgusting.

 

[spat]

That’s all bullshit. No one in my house even knows what guns I have but me. I buy them, bring them home, and I store them. My wife and kids don’t know the safe combinations even. I can’t see how this can hold up in court.

First day in NY ?

If it wasn't for bullshit, NY would barely have any laws at all.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yes, blackmail and extortion are perfectly legal when the government does it.

It's disgusting.

It works. I see it all of the time. Find an illegal gun in a car or in a home with multiple people, no one takes ownership, arrest and charge them all. One or two will give up the "owner" of said gun.

 

[GOPerfect]

That’s all bullshit. No one in my house even knows what guns I have but me. I buy them, bring them home, and I store them. My wife and kids don’t know the safe combinations even. I can’t see how this can hold up in court.

Your family does not have access to your guns? What if something occurs while you are out?

My wife has my combination as do my kids. Hell, the kids knew how to access the safe at around 14 y/o.

 

[spat]

It works. I see it all of the time. Find an illegal gun in a car or in a home with multiple people, no one takes ownership, arrest and charge them all. One or two will give up the "owner" of said gun.

I don't think anyone would deny it's effective. There are lots of very effective police tactics that are simply not compatible with a free and just society,

Beating people with rubber hoses until they confess is very effective too, but we're not supposed to do that anymore for a reason.

 

[GOPerfect]

I don't think anyone would deny it's effective. There are lots of very effective police tactics that are simply not compatible with a free and just society,

Beating people with rubber hoses until they confess is very effective too, but we're not supposed to do that anymore for a reason.

Maybe, maybe not. Beating with rubber hoses is so 1970's. Much better ways to get information and compliance these days.

 

[spat]

Maybe, maybe not. Beating with rubber hoses is so 1970's. Much better ways to get information and compliance these days.

To be fair, the police are rank amateurs when it comes to unethical practices.

The DAs are the experts. "we are alleging this guy was a criminal, so we request an order to seize all his money, so he can't pay for a decent lawyer...."

 

[Saltwater60]

Anyone in the are of the guns are charged if no one steps up an admits ownership. Happens all of the time. They use this as leverage.

This I get, but I said I can’t see how it could hold up on a court of law. I’m not sure I’d convict if I was on the jury and certainly not all three of them.

 

[Saltwater60]

Your family does not have access to your guns? What if something occurs while you are out?

My wife has my combination as do my kids. Hell, the kids knew how to access the safe at around 14 y/o.

She has no interest and says she couldn’t shoot anyone in any circumstance so I figure she’s better off not knowing. I plan to get a different and better pistol safe so I can remotely access it and it will have a fingerprint scanner So that I can program them into it just in case.