Registered emotional support pets and firearm licences - I thought this was an interesting question, as I've never heard it before.

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As the title mostly says already, yesterday I was asked a firearm ownership question/issue that I'd never heard/seen come up and I had no good answer for it (a quite rare thing indeed).

A person I know has a NYS (upstate county issued, not NYC) pistol permit. I didn't put this specifically in pistol permits though because I suppose it could apply to all firearm licensing and different things could be discussed. So, they asked me my opinion basically on whether or not applying to have their dog registered as an emotional support animal might be considered a reason to have one's permit stripped. It's perhaps worth mentioning that in this person's case specifically , they are not diagnosed with any mental illness / psychological issue / or any other specific disability; they are simply 'long in the tooth', as it were, and living otherwise alone and such. The dog does make them not lonely, but they admitted that the primary reason they want to do it is just to be able to take the dog along with them more easily.
(yes, by the way, I'm being very non-specific with my pronouns for OPSEC , and I'm aware it reads a bit strange.)

So, what do you think ? It this person correct to be concerned about the issue ? Of course many people here will be tempted to just throw the usual "It's NY , go straight to jail" sort of comments, but I'm really looking for more than that on this one; simply because It's an 'on topic' question that I genuinely didn't/don't know how to answer. I'd be especially interested to know if anyone here has or knows someone (in 'real-life') that has some experience to answer from.

 

[spat]

As the title mostly says already, yesterday I was asked a firearm ownership question/issue that I'd never heard/seen come up and I had no good answer for it (a quite rare thing indeed).

A person I know has a NYS (upstate county issued, not NYC) pistol permit. I didn't put this specifically in pistol permits though because I suppose it could apply to all firearm licensing and different things could be discussed. So, they asked me my opinion basically on whether or not applying to have their dog registered as an emotional support animal might be considered a reason to have one's permit stripped. It's perhaps worth mentioning that in this person's case specifically , they are not diagnosed with any mental illness / psychological issue / or any other specific disability; they are simply 'long in the tooth', as it were, and living otherwise alone and such. The dog does make them not lonely, but they admitted that the primary reason they want to do it is just to be able to take the dog along with them more easily.
(yes, by the way, I'm being very non-specific with my pronouns for OPSEC , and I'm aware it reads a bit strange.)

So, what do you think ? It this person correct to be concerned about the issue ? Of course many people here will be tempted to just throw the usual "It's NY , go straight to jail" sort of comments, but I'm really looking for more than that on this one; simply because It's an 'on topic' question that I genuinely didn't/don't know how to answer. I'd be especially interested to know if anyone here has or knows someone (in 'real-life') that has some experience to answer from.

Not all support animals are related to some mental function.

People have animals that help with all sorts of physical issues.

So, it probably does come down to what function the dog is intended to serve.

It is all going to come down to how the order for the dog is written I would say.

It's also going to matter *a lot* where in upstate it is.

Generally though, I would think it would end up being a "left and doesn't talk to the right" situation, and even if the local authorities *were* inclined to make an issue out of it, they're unlikely to connect the dots.

Now, what may come of it in the future, is anyone's guess.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I read an article several years ago about a blind person obtaining a CCW. The point is, there are different degrees of blindness. On that same thought line there are different degrees of mental illness. Is a person so violent and dangerous they can't function socially or so totally blind they can't hit the side of a barn? Poorly contrived laws tend to be broad brush in the way they are applied to people. Some of these laws also fail to consider that all blindness is not permanent and all mental illness is not permanent.

 

[Jmac00]

Interesting question indeed. But why would you need to register a emotional support dog unless you were planning on traveling, and you wanted your dog with you at all times. Like on a train or plane.

Also, a emotional support dog could be for "others". I know people with support dogs for children with cancer. Dogs are a huge comfort to a person or child that are sick.

I don't think this is a big deal at all. And if a person can get by, useing a dog instead of a drug, Im all good with that. Right up until the animal passes away, then what is the person going to do??

 

[Zerex]

Sounds like a tax dodge to me, or worse.

WTF register a dog beyond the license?

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That man should not have a CCP.

 

[tirwin1]

Can I have an emotional support gun? Or 12?

 

[FrankenCub]

Honestly I don't trust the state when it comes to these things. Look how many times they used really limp excuses to pull someone's permit. It's not a long stretch to me for the issuing office to claim if there's a need for a support animal, you're not stable enough to hold a PP. It's one of those lines ripe to be abused.

 

[Saltwater60]

I don’t see what registering your dog as an emotional support animal does unless you want to take it into a nursing home or hospital. If I were them I would try to do it as a therapy dog. On another point I see dogs literally everywhere I go. I see dogs in the grocery store, Home Depot, restaurants and all sorts of places. Another fact is emotional support animals are not treated the same service animals and can be banned from anywhere legally without recourse. The only protections that I’m aware of are for service animals. I could be wrong in this but I work for the government and this is what we’re told.

 

[Darth]

Overreaction.

The emotional support pet won't affect the ccw.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Acer-m14]

from the OP ..

Registered emotional support pets ..​

where is the registry . ?

i can go on amazon and get a saddle for any pet that says it a support animal ..

 

[Acer-m14]

i got a little skunk here in the park now hiding because it had to spray ..

 

[libertysnake]

As the title mostly says already, yesterday I was asked a firearm ownership question/issue that I'd never heard/seen come up and I had no good answer for it (a quite rare thing indeed).

A person I know has a NYS (upstate county issued, not NYC) pistol permit. I didn't put this specifically in pistol permits though because I suppose it could apply to all firearm licensing and different things could be discussed. So, they asked me my opinion basically on whether or not applying to have their dog registered as an emotional support animal might be considered a reason to have one's permit stripped. It's perhaps worth mentioning that in this person's case specifically , they are not diagnosed with any mental illness / psychological issue / or any other specific disability; they are simply 'long in the tooth', as it were, and living otherwise alone and such. The dog does make them not lonely, but they admitted that the primary reason they want to do it is just to be able to take the dog along with them more easily.
(yes, by the way, I'm being very non-specific with my pronouns for OPSEC , and I'm aware it reads a bit strange.)

So, what do you think ? It this person correct to be concerned about the issue ? Of course many people here will be tempted to just throw the usual "It's NY , go straight to jail" sort of comments, but I'm really looking for more than that on this one; simply because It's an 'on topic' question that I genuinely didn't/don't know how to answer. I'd be especially interested to know if anyone here has or knows someone (in 'real-life') that has some experience to answer from.

I doubt they'd strip a person of a license for mental illness anyway. They may ask for clarification, but stripping a person of a license is going to push things to the courts. If anything, licensing authorities want to cover their asses and want documentation it's a non-issue in case someone goes apeshit, so they can point fingers.

That's my understanding anyway with my local jurisdiction -- they simply need a letter regarding the illness on file when you apply, but it isn't grounds to deny a person normally.

 

[Zerex]

A gun IS an emotional support device.

Walk in woods or a convenience mart, without a gun and then with a gun. You feel better with a gun..confidence inspiring, and you give off pheromones, that animals can likely smell....fear in you can be detected by animals; horses for sure, dogs and perps, too.
coyotes and wolves depend upon detecting fear to eat.

If any Llama gets on board an aircraft ,the air marshall should be prepared to shoot it, or an out of control monkey, or wolf dog or ocelot.