Ruling on school shooters parents soon

[Jchrisls]

No verdict after first day of deliberations in trial of Michigan school shooter's mom

There's no verdict yet in Michigan after the first full day of jury deliberations in the trial of a school shooter's mother.

apnews.com

I find this trouble in a lot if ways for the parents, the school and government in general. The situation above is tragic but as is in many situations thier were multiple failures prior to the shooting involving many individuals.

 

[kev74]

There isn't enough reliable information in the AP article to do anything more than speculate. A couple of thoughts...

-The parents bear some responsibility if they knew their kid has problems and didn't properly secure their gun(s).
-The school can't claim responsibility for every other other aspect of the kids well-being, but be totally in the clear when it comes to violence. If the kid drawing a picture was a credible threat, their reaction - a short meeting to inconvenience the parents, with no other action - is very inadequate.

 

[Cavalry]

The shooter was tried as an adult, therefore he was capable of making adult decisions. The parent had nothing to do with those decisions.

If he had stolen his mothers car and purposefully killed 4 people with it would they be going after her the same way?

 

[fresch]

She should have just thrown the gun in the dumpster, sorry mixed up hunter bidong with a kid who the school system fucked over mentally. Probably never telling the parents anything.
Then has them come in for a sit down about a drawing and the school psychologist telling them how great the psychologist is at their job.
The schools have taken the parental rights from parents, makes the school more responsible for the out comes.
Schools are gun free so ny state is responsible too.
At ~15yrs old is where the schools preach your parents are not in charge of you.
An un born child can tell if it is a trans and can make decisions about sex; guess that puts the burden on the 15 yr old for murders.

 

[fresch]

Say it!
He was on our radar.

 

[FP1201]

In the Sandy Hook shooting (which itself is a bazar ride down the Rabbit hole) the shooter murdered his mother who was at home with him, gained unauthorized access to a Safe and commenced to murdering in a Gun Free Zone.
There are too many variables to pass the shit-sandwich.
I believe SSRI's were being used by the Shooters in previous events, now it's trans-people manifesting a higher degree of animation because others are perceived as ignoring their demands to play along with the fantasy.
I have to wonder how many/often attacks against soft targets such as Schools occurs in other developed countries? Same with underdeveloped countries; do we just not hear of it, or do they take steps to make sure that shit doesn't happen?

 

[Jchrisls]

I hoped this would spark discussions. I wasn't wrong. There are many layers to this onion to peel for sure. Parental rights, school responsibility, gun free zones, government oversight. It's near endless opportunity of views

 

[Beerman]

Was one (or were both) of the parents aware that the gun was “missing” on the day of the shooting, and failed to notify the school?

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

The problem is that the school wanted to know if there were guns in the house. This will set a precedent where schools start asking questions they have no business asking (well they already do I guess). It is bad enough Doctors think they can ask about guns in the householdl. Schools, doctors, and especially the government have NO business knowing if I have guns in my home. There were enough warning signs that the kid was a nut.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Brainless parents usually spawn stupid kids.

Instead of licensing guns and ammo, maybe we should be testing & licensing people before they can produce bad spawns.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

20 years ago, I'd say hang the parents.
These days, the commies in govt all claim to own your kids, so, I guess hang them instead.

 

[FrankenCub]

The shooter was tried as an adult, therefore he was capable of making adult decisions. The parent had nothing to do with those decisions.

If he had stolen his mothers car and purposefully killed 4 people with it would they be going after her the same way?

Maybe I've heard wrong from the court video, but from what I understand his parents knew he was fucked up and dangerous, yet still bought him a gun.

 

[Apeman]

I read that he was 15.

She was found guilty for lack of controlling her minor son.

The left says kids can take hormones and change their genders at any age. Some on the left want to take your kids away if you don't agree with their choice. So you're responsible for their bad actions by not controlling them, but they'll be taken away and you're the bad guy if you don't let them mutilate themselves?

Personally I wouldn't buy a 15 year old a handgun. I'm sure there are quite a few responsible 15 year olds that can be trusted and if you have one that's fantastic. I wouldn't trust my 17 year old nephew with one - not because he'd go on a shooting spree but because he's a little careless. It depends on the kid.

 

[GOPerfect]

I am okay with this. I would be okay with it as well if this occurred in the community that the majority of crime comes from in the US

 

[Acer-m14]

Brainless parents usually spawn stupid kids.

Instead of licensing guns and ammo, maybe we should be testing & licensing people before they can produce bad spawns.

looks at the White House and there not in Jail ..

 

[Acer-m14]

the parents didn't fail .. the System made the parents fail ..

if you touch the guns in the corner you will get your ass blistered by the belt ..

ok dad ..

ohhhh spanking is abuse ..

 

[Acer-m14]

Eric M. Smith .. parents Fault ??

i think he used a rock

 

[Jchrisls]

Jennifer Crumbley found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in Oxford High School shooting

Jennifer Crumbley was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter stemming from her son's shooting rampage at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021.

www.freep.com

An update. She was found guilty. Her husband will stand trial next.

Decent article that outlines all the pitfalls of this case for everyone.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Eric M. Smith .. parents Fault ??

i think he used a rock

Well if he did, we better ban rocks then!

 

[Zerex]

THIS CONVICTION ONLY APPLIES TO MAGA PARENTS................ no minority parents, will be charged for any crime their spawn, is, or has been, or will be convicted for.................... as it is RACIST.

Tell me I am wrong.

 

[Acer-m14]

Jennifer Crumbley found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in Oxford High School shooting

Jennifer Crumbley was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter stemming from her son's shooting rampage at Oxford High School on Nov. 30, 2021.

www.freep.com

An update. She was found guilty. Her husband will stand trial next.

Decent article that outlines all the pitfalls of this case for everyone.

so does this apply to Governor No Bail and her followers and LEO's too .. oh he was on our radar but we did nothing .. ??

so you buy a gun for your kid with the purpose of teaching him gun safety ... and then he does some dumb shit .,.

well this puts a dent in how things used to work ..

 

[JunkBoxFull]

20 years ago, I'd say hang the parents.
These days, the commies in govt all claim to own your kids, so, I guess hang them instead.

I call BS, as parents shouldn`t be dumb and lazy to ignore what this goobermint has been doing. Especially as of lately. Yet here we are.

 

[tirwin1]

The problem is that the school wanted to know if there were guns in the house. This will set a precedent where schools start asking questions they have no business asking (well they already do I guess). It is bad enough Doctors think they can ask about guns in the householdl. Schools, doctors, and especially the government have NO business knowing if I have guns in my home. There were enough warning signs that the kid was a nut.

I see the dangers here and you are correct to point them out. On the other hand, what is a school supposed to do if a weirdo student starts making threats or is perceived to be a danger? After all the school shootings I can understand the administration wanting to do something proactive instead of just waiting for the nut to pop.

 

[fresch]

I see the dangers here and you are correct to point them out. On the other hand, what is a school supposed to do if a weirdo student starts making threats or is perceived to be a danger? After all the school shootings I can understand the administration wanting to do something proactive instead of just waiting for the nut to pop.

Maybe concentrate on the 3 Rs, keep out of the grooming of children (been going on for decades).
When a child acts out get the parents involved right there and then. Let the parents use corporal punishment (not abuse), spanking children is not abuse. The school system removed parental control about 35 years ago, so they started this bs.
We didn't have the problems we have now when I grew up. We beat the shit out of each other but had knowledge of right from wrong and could stop ourselves from going too far; now apparently not.
Basically this is what happens when government do holders are in control. Kinda how we are now losing our country.

 

[fresch]

Gooders

 

[tirwin1]

Maybe concentrate on the 3 Rs, keep out of the grooming of children (been going on for decades).
When a child acts out get the parents involved right there and then. Let the parents use corporal punishment (not abuse), spanking children is not abuse. The school system removed parental control about 35 years ago, so they started this bs.
We didn't have the problems we have now when I grew up. We beat the shit out of each other but had knowledge of right from wrong and could stop ourselves from going too far; now apparently not.
Basically this is what happens when government do holders are in control. Kinda how we are now losing our country.

I seriously doubt a lack of focus on the three R's was the cause here. As for getting the parents involved that is exactly what the school tried to do.

I agree the country has lost a basic sense of right and wrong. But that's because too many parents don't have it to begin with.

 

[Beerman]

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

 

[Acer-m14]

So you work for the School and get word of a possible school shooter and you tell the cops .. you get FIRED!!! ..

you just can't make this shit up ..

 

[Acer-m14]

and they will parent after they graduate with out knowing how to read or write or do math ..

Oregon just dropped all graduation standards, failing all of its students in the name of ‘equity’

Parents and teachers should hold the state accountable and recognize the harmful role played by Oregon’s largest teachers union.

thehill.com

 

[ManualF150]

Depends.

If I sent my kid off knowing they had no guns in their book bag, not even a second though my son/daughter was going to shoot up a school, but somehow along the route they get a gun and go to school and start shooting up the place, then it shouldn't be my fault as a parent.

However, if I knew there was something up and didn't do anything about it, well, that's a whole 'nother story.