You don't know who was there, the fact that 4 Iranians were killed in this attack indicates this wasn't just an attack on Syrian Army. Hezbollah is fighting in Syria and is at war with Israel. If Russia is fighting terrorists in Syria, ALL terrorist groups should be included, not just those hostile to Assad. I know you want Israel to be wiped off the the map, but that's not Putin's position.
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You don't know who was there, the fact that 4 Iranians were killed in this attack indicates this wasn't just an attack on Syrian Army. Hezbollah is fighting in Syria and is at war with Israel. If Russia is fighting terrorists in Syria, ALL terrorist groups should be included, not just those hostile to Assad. I know you want Israel to be wiped off the the map, but that's not Putin's position.
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Did you listen in on this phone call? Sounds like fake news.
Burzum
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First, the "White Helmets" have been exposed as fraudsters and some in league with terrorists, so when they make claims, you know it is total rubbish.
Secondly, anyone gullible enough to believe Assad ordered this attack might as well think Bloomturd and the Brady Bunch only want common sense gun reform.
Secondly, anyone gullible enough to believe Assad ordered this attack might as well think Bloomturd and the Brady Bunch only want common sense gun reform.
holdover
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Wrong . The attack was on Syrian bases ,on Syrian soil. At Syrian airfields and Syrian targets ,who was in the bases at the time of the attack is completely irrelevant. There were Russians killed in in the attack, was it aimed at the Russians? That's nonsense. Could have been Chinese , You keep trying to make this about Hezbollah . It wasn't an attack on Hezbollah. It was an attack on Syria . period. By any standard of law it was an attack on Syria. I can care less if Israel is wiped out or not . I can care less if Syria is wiped out. I have no dog in the fight. But what I don't want to see , is US Troops dragged into another war for no US gains . You think we should come to Israel's aid if they start a war with the Russians? You really think that's a great Idea?
I know your not that stupid to believe Assad decided it was a good idea to use chemical weapons against civilians for no possible military gain a week after the US decided it was going to pull out . Even though the Russians were screaming about it for a month .
holdover
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No, I didn't. what do you think they were talking about? Curtains? You have two leaders who are concerned with Syria , Im going to go out on a limb here and say Syria probably came up in the conversation , being its their job an all. Would it be unreasonable for Israel to ask for US support in a possible joint operation? I mean they are ""allies "" in weird way .
No, every country reserves the right to attack terrorists on foreign soil. We do it, Russia does it (not just in Syria), Turkey does it and so does Israel. You need to be reminded that we never defended Israel when it was attacked and they never asked us to. There is no official statement from the Russian government condemning Israel. Israeli war with Hezbollah went on long before Russia got involved in the region.
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This is laughable. You have no idea what they talked about.
meketrefe
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Remember that Putin and his circle are masters at lying and deception.
A big part of their strategy is to play all sides to further undermine any possible progress in the middle East.
The funny thing both Russia and US have been part of a disastrous policy for many decades.
It is all about controlling the oil and the channels to get to the oil.
Siria is worth nothing only that they are in a strategic position for oil distribution from a logistical point of view.
That is why folks are so worried about this unlike Yemen, Somalia or other atrocities.
Don't forget Putin hates American competition. He also has a lot more money than trump too. All stolen, obviously.
War games to justify the real objective that is control of the ports and oil.
Russia has 'invincible' nuclear weapons
A big part of their strategy is to play all sides to further undermine any possible progress in the middle East.
The funny thing both Russia and US have been part of a disastrous policy for many decades.
It is all about controlling the oil and the channels to get to the oil.
Siria is worth nothing only that they are in a strategic position for oil distribution from a logistical point of view.
That is why folks are so worried about this unlike Yemen, Somalia or other atrocities.
Don't forget Putin hates American competition. He also has a lot more money than trump too. All stolen, obviously.
War games to justify the real objective that is control of the ports and oil.
Russia has 'invincible' nuclear weapons
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
We will never engage directly. We will continue to use whatever country to face off.
Same old story.
They lost people, the last time we attacked in Syria. They warned us not to do this again.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I trust government (Either one) as much as a chimp playing with a loaded AKM carbine.
holdover
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You agree it looks like false flag and yet you justify an attack on Syria but not Russia .
holdover
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No I don't. But if you think they weren't discussing options concerning Syria I got a bridge to sell you .Talking about their grandchildren? Come on man.
Israeli action is not based on this incident, it's an ongoing conflict. They never claimed this was their reason. They have enough conspiracy theories against them without this obvious false flag provocation.
Lets not forget that WWII began with a false flag attack on a German radio station. The war between Russia and Finland (Winter War) began with a false flag attack on the Russian outpost. Gulf of Tonkin fake attack brought us Vietnam War.
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Burzum
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Also the Mexican American war of 1846-1848, though a justified war-was likely fudged the "American Blood on American Soil" was unlikely, the USS Maine was either sacrificed or was an accident but McKinely wasted no time jumping into the Spanish American War, America and England worked awfully hard to get America into WW1--Wall Street and contractors made more money than God during that one.
Only a fool trusts the government.
I know, I just didn't want to beat up on us too much.
....and who can forget WMD's in Iraq. 7 thousand Americans killed, many more maimed and for what? Enough of this shit. We don't need to rule the world.
Robin
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Don't worry, the Chinese are rapidly taking on that role, and gleeful in their anticipation.
Robin
Robin
holdover
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Listen, I don't want to offend you personally, But Israel is the most likely behind the chemical attack, they have the means motive and opportunity , and took full advantage of it. They benefit the most . Normally, I would say it was the CIA , but the US did not follow up on it .. so far. You don't plan an operation like that without an objective in mind. If the US responded in force I would say it was done by US intelligence hands down . what I see , Is an attempt to involve the US deeper into a ground war in Syria. Sorry that's what it looks like to me. just my opinion.
Intelligence obtained by the Russians showed that this was planned by the rebels. Russians issued a warning weeks before this took place. Rebels used these provocations in the past.
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holdover
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Really? The US said it was Assad, So Was it the US rebels or the Isreali rebels I didn't catch that part.
If you really think that those who did it are going to wear US or isreali uniforms and claim responsibility , your kidding yourself. you know how that shit works.
holdover
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Israeli officials: U.S. must strike in Syria - Middle East - Jerusalem Post
www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-officals-US-must-strike-in-Syria-549144
3 days ago - The US must attack the Assad regime in Syria in response to the alleged chemical-weapons attack in Douma, which killed dozens of people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said on Sunday. Erdan, who is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's No. 2 in Likud, said he hoped US ...
Israeli Officials: US Must strike in Syria | Defend Democracy Press
www.defenddemocracy.press/israeli-officials-us-must-strike-in-syria/
2 days ago - “Assad is the angel of death, and the world would be better without him.” By Gil Hoffman April 8, 2018. The United States must attack the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria in response to the regime chemical gas strike on the Syrian town Douma that killed more than 70 people, Strategic Affairs and Public ...
The United States must attack the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria in response to the regime chemical gas strike on the Syrian town Douma that killed more than 70 people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said Sunday.
Erdan, who is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s No. 2 in Likud, said he hoped US military action against the regime would be taken as it was when the Syrian Army used chemical weapons against its people in the past.
“The shocking attack shows the incredible hypocrisy of the international community focusing on Israel confronting the terrorist organization Hamas that is sending civilians to our fence, when dozens are being killed in Syria every day,” Erdan told Army Radio. “It shows the need for strengthening the presence of Americans and other international forces, because without them the genocide we are seeing will only intensify.”
Read more at http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-officals-US-must-strike-in-Syria-549144
Officials in Israel are urging the US to attack the Syrian Army, following what they called a “shocking attack” in Douma.
Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said the world was “complacent” about the deaths of civilians in Syria but condemned the IDF for killing Palestinians “in self-defense”.
In the meantime it seems Israel couldn’t wait to take some action of their own. Following the Douma incident on Sunday, which was immediately blamed on the Syrian government, Israel launched missiles strikes at a Syrian airbase in the Homs province.
IDF major general, Yoav Galant, has even called for a military strike aimed directly against the Syrian president.
Washington must launch a strike against Damascus in response to the alleged chemical attack in the city of Douma, the Israeli Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan told the Army Radio on Sunday, commenting on the reports coming from anti-government groups in Syria. Erdan also said he personally hopes that the US would take military action against the Syrian government, which he blamed for the attack, the Jerusalem Post reports. The minister added that the Douma incident shows the “need” for a US troop buildup in Syria.
The Israeli construction minister and former IDF major general, Yoav Galant, went even further and called for a military strike aimed directly against the Syrian president. “[Bashar] Assad is the angel of death, and the world would be better without him,” Galant said. The Israeli opposition leader Isaac Herzog called on the US to take “decisive military action” against Syria.
At the same time, Israeli officials were apparently uncomfortable with the international community paying unwanted attention to developments in Gaza. Dozens of Palestinian protesters were killed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) during mass protests in the Gaza Strip – but Erdan says the global community has been looking in the wrong direction.
“The shocking attack shows the incredible international hypocrisy of the international community focusing on Israel confronting the terrorist organization Hamas that is sending civilians to our [border] fence, when dozens are being killed in Syria every day,” he said.
The Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman also slammed the international community, for what he called willful ignorance of the human tragedies in Syria and other countries, and unjust criticism of Israel’s actions. The minister said in particular that the world was “complacent” about the deaths of civilians in Syria, all while condemning the IDF for killing Palestinians “in self-defense.”
At the same time, Lieberman did not rule out Israel’s own intervention in the Syrian conflict. “I always operate on the assumption that, at the end of the day, Israel has to deal alone with both the northern threat and the southern threat,” he told the Israeli KANN radio, when asked about the developments in Syria. He also criticized US President Donald Trump’s recent statements concerning the potential US troop withdrawal from Syria, by saying that “President Trump didn’t ask” him for an opinion on the matter.
The idea of Israel’s intervention in Syria was supported by the Israeli Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, who called developments in the Middle Eastern country a “genocide … in its cruelest form.” “We have a moral obligation not to keep quiet and to try and stop this massacre,” he said, as cited by the Times of Israel.
Israeli Officials Say US Must Strike Syria Over Douma ‘Chemical Attack’
Sounds like it was because of the chemical attack to me.
www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-officals-US-must-strike-in-Syria-549144
3 days ago - The US must attack the Assad regime in Syria in response to the alleged chemical-weapons attack in Douma, which killed dozens of people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said on Sunday. Erdan, who is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's No. 2 in Likud, said he hoped US ...
Israeli Officials: US Must strike in Syria | Defend Democracy Press
www.defenddemocracy.press/israeli-officials-us-must-strike-in-syria/
2 days ago - “Assad is the angel of death, and the world would be better without him.” By Gil Hoffman April 8, 2018. The United States must attack the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria in response to the regime chemical gas strike on the Syrian town Douma that killed more than 70 people, Strategic Affairs and Public ...
The United States must attack the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria in response to the regime chemical gas strike on the Syrian town Douma that killed more than 70 people, Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said Sunday.
Erdan, who is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s No. 2 in Likud, said he hoped US military action against the regime would be taken as it was when the Syrian Army used chemical weapons against its people in the past.
“The shocking attack shows the incredible hypocrisy of the international community focusing on Israel confronting the terrorist organization Hamas that is sending civilians to our fence, when dozens are being killed in Syria every day,” Erdan told Army Radio. “It shows the need for strengthening the presence of Americans and other international forces, because without them the genocide we are seeing will only intensify.”
Read more at http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israeli-officals-US-must-strike-in-Syria-549144
Officials in Israel are urging the US to attack the Syrian Army, following what they called a “shocking attack” in Douma.
Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said the world was “complacent” about the deaths of civilians in Syria but condemned the IDF for killing Palestinians “in self-defense”.
In the meantime it seems Israel couldn’t wait to take some action of their own. Following the Douma incident on Sunday, which was immediately blamed on the Syrian government, Israel launched missiles strikes at a Syrian airbase in the Homs province.
IDF major general, Yoav Galant, has even called for a military strike aimed directly against the Syrian president.
Washington must launch a strike against Damascus in response to the alleged chemical attack in the city of Douma, the Israeli Strategic Affairs and Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan told the Army Radio on Sunday, commenting on the reports coming from anti-government groups in Syria. Erdan also said he personally hopes that the US would take military action against the Syrian government, which he blamed for the attack, the Jerusalem Post reports. The minister added that the Douma incident shows the “need” for a US troop buildup in Syria.
The Israeli construction minister and former IDF major general, Yoav Galant, went even further and called for a military strike aimed directly against the Syrian president. “[Bashar] Assad is the angel of death, and the world would be better without him,” Galant said. The Israeli opposition leader Isaac Herzog called on the US to take “decisive military action” against Syria.
At the same time, Israeli officials were apparently uncomfortable with the international community paying unwanted attention to developments in Gaza. Dozens of Palestinian protesters were killed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) during mass protests in the Gaza Strip – but Erdan says the global community has been looking in the wrong direction.
“The shocking attack shows the incredible international hypocrisy of the international community focusing on Israel confronting the terrorist organization Hamas that is sending civilians to our [border] fence, when dozens are being killed in Syria every day,” he said.
The Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman also slammed the international community, for what he called willful ignorance of the human tragedies in Syria and other countries, and unjust criticism of Israel’s actions. The minister said in particular that the world was “complacent” about the deaths of civilians in Syria, all while condemning the IDF for killing Palestinians “in self-defense.”
At the same time, Lieberman did not rule out Israel’s own intervention in the Syrian conflict. “I always operate on the assumption that, at the end of the day, Israel has to deal alone with both the northern threat and the southern threat,” he told the Israeli KANN radio, when asked about the developments in Syria. He also criticized US President Donald Trump’s recent statements concerning the potential US troop withdrawal from Syria, by saying that “President Trump didn’t ask” him for an opinion on the matter.
The idea of Israel’s intervention in Syria was supported by the Israeli Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, who called developments in the Middle Eastern country a “genocide … in its cruelest form.” “We have a moral obligation not to keep quiet and to try and stop this massacre,” he said, as cited by the Times of Israel.
Israeli Officials Say US Must Strike Syria Over Douma ‘Chemical Attack’
Sounds like it was because of the chemical attack to me.
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holdover
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Moscow (AFP) - Moscow on Sunday warned the United States against carrying out a "military intervention on fabricated pretexts" in Syria, insisting that the Damascus regime did not use chemical weapons on an opposition holdout in Eastern Ghouta.
The Russians are not blaming the US for the attacks. They know who did it
The Russians are not blaming the US for the attacks. They know who did it
IMO I don't believe the Russian angle that they are claiming it probably didn't happen and they don't have any proof it did.
It happened.
However,
I have no idea who did it or why. And that's messed up.
When Saddam gassed the kurds, everyone knew. Saddam was even proud of it and used it to strike fear into his opponnents.
I don't know who did it this time so I'm not sure who to be mad at or why .
Since no one is taking credit or blame for it, and everyone has different ideas all blaming the other side I don't know what is right. All I can do is try to use logic based on the publicly available intel.
Follow the motives, money, influence. Who would stand to gain the most by gasing a bunch of civilians, and why?
Keep in mind 2 or 3 days prior to this, trump unexpectedly announced he wanted to pull out of syria. That is perhaps a clue, or just a coincidence .
It happened.
However,
I have no idea who did it or why. And that's messed up.
When Saddam gassed the kurds, everyone knew. Saddam was even proud of it and used it to strike fear into his opponnents.
I don't know who did it this time so I'm not sure who to be mad at or why .
Since no one is taking credit or blame for it, and everyone has different ideas all blaming the other side I don't know what is right. All I can do is try to use logic based on the publicly available intel.
Follow the motives, money, influence. Who would stand to gain the most by gasing a bunch of civilians, and why?
Keep in mind 2 or 3 days prior to this, trump unexpectedly announced he wanted to pull out of syria. That is perhaps a clue, or just a coincidence .
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Seems to me, world wars have been started over less. The blaming and confusion elements are certainly there.