SAFE Act Question, "second handgrip"

[Burzum]

Under the semiautomatic "rifle" section of the Safe Act (aka Retard Act), this section describing forbidden features has me curious:

(iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

Okay obviously a protruding second grip like the 1927A1 Tommy's and the Romanian "G" series AKMs, but as to the "second handgrip," does that mean that ANY AKM/AK47 not in an SKS style continuous stock is illegal?

It seems once the "second grip" forward of the receiver and separated from the buttstock on an AKM/AK47 is installed, whether flat or protruding, it now violates section (iv)......................so that means regardless of the "spur" or kydex, does that mean the forward grip must not be installed???

Thanks

 

[GUNSICK]

It’s a handguard.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

A grip is a grip is a grip and they must stay monogomous per the furher's handbook

 

[libertysnake]

Article 265, section 22 states:

22. "Assault weapon" means
(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a thumbhole stock;
(iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the
non-trigger hand;
(v) a bayonet mount;
(vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded
barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or
muzzle compensator;
(vii) a grenade launcher; or​

(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least one of the following
characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a thumbhole stock;
(iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the
non-trigger hand;
(iv) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds;
(v) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or​

(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a thumbhole stock;
(iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the
non-trigger hand;
(iv) capacity to accept an ammunition magazine that attaches to the
pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(v) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(vi) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm
with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
(vii) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded; or
(viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or
firearm;​

Notice how "shroud" was defined completely separately in the pistols case. That makes a good case, I'd like to think, for saying "Ok, if you intended the second handgrip clause to include shrouds, why are they defined totally separately in the case of pistols, and that same clause not included in the rifle and shotgun sections?"

For that reason, I'd say it's a non-concern. Then again, this is NY -- constitution doesn't apply here.

 

[BDinPutnam]

How much money and how many lawyers do you have?

 

[SomeSoldier]

I wonder if my rail attachment is considered a protruding grip?? Not that it matters, I have a fixed mag.

Edit:
Never mind answered my own question.

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[Carlos Hathcock]

If you want it.....its most likely illegal.

 

[camper4lyfe]

It's ambiguously written for a reason

 

[Blimey]

Article 265, section 22 states:


Notice how "shroud" was defined completely separately in the pistols case. That makes a good case, I'd like to think, for saying "Ok, if you intended the second handgrip clause to include shrouds, why are they defined totally separately in the case of pistols, and that same clause not included in the rifle and shotgun sections?"

For that reason, I'd say it's a non-concern. Then again, this is NY -- constitution doesn't apply here.

I agree with this and stores selling AR pattern rifles in NY seem to as well.

Although... reading the law when I see a hand guard on an AR and it's built specifically to assist being gripped (as many of them are) I can certainly understand why some would call that a second hand grip.