Sandy Hook Parents File 1st Argument To Supreme Court In Gun Lawsuit Case

[carpediem]

Sue the state for piling all the children into unprotected slaughterhouses. Who will people sue when some isis asswipe blows a school off the face of the earth? Or a group of them assault it and take all the kids hostage? In the second case, you bet your ass they would go after guns too. This anti gun shit is retarded. Harden the places where you force us to send our children. It really is that fucking simple. Nope, some scumbag pushing an agenda puts a bug in the parents ears about getting a ton of $ from an "evil" company while furthering their own disarmament agenda. If these lawyers really gave a rats ass about "justice" then they would have put all the alcohol producers out of business for the associated violence that is directly linked to the consumption and over-consumption of alcohol. For the children my ass...

 

[holdover]

Lanza next went to another first-grade classroom nearby; at this point, there are conflicting reports about the order of events. According to some reports, the classroom's teacher, Victoria Leigh Soto, had concealed some of the students in a closet or bathroom, and some of the other students were hiding under desks.[40] whch reports are accurate?? Soto was walking back to the classroom door to lock it Really?? She heard all the fireing screaming begging for life going on and she waited until the shooter swapped mags before trying to lock the door??? when Lanza entered the classroom.[51] Lanza walked to the back of the classroom, saw the children under the desks, and shot them why are they under the desk and not in the fucking closet? why did she tell the shooter that they were in the gym??

Her cousin, Jim Wiltsie, said police had told him that she was trying to usher her pupils into a storage room when she came face-to-face with Lanza.'She put herself between the gunman and the children and that's when she was tragically shot and killed,' Mr Wiltsie said.

On December 14, 2012, Soto was teaching her first grade class at Sandy Hook Elementary School when Adam Lanza forced his way into the school and began to shoot staff and students. After killing fifteen students and two teachers in the first classroom, Lanza entered Soto's classroom. Soto had hidden several children in a closet, and when Lanza entered her classroom, she told him that the children were in the school gym. When several children ran from their hiding places, Lanza began shooting the students. Soto was shot after she "threw herself in front of her first grade student .









First grader Jesse Lewis shouted at his classmates to run for safety, and several of them did. Lewis was looking at Lanza when Lanza fatally shot him.[52] Another account, given by a surviving child's father, said that Soto had moved the children to the back of the classroom, and that they were seated on the floor when Lanza entered. According to this account, neither Lanza nor any of the occupants of the classroom spoke. Lanza stared at the people on the floor, pointed the gun at a boy seated there, but did not fire at the boy, who ultimately survived.[53] The boy got up and ran out of the classroom and was among the survivors.[50] A Hartford Courant report said that six of the children who escaped did so when Lanza stopped shooting, either because his weapon jammed or he erred in reloading it.[40] Earlier reports said that, as Lanza entered her classroom, Soto told him that the children were in the auditorium. When several of the children came out of their hiding places and tried to run for safety, Lanza fatally shot them. Soto put herself between her students and the shooter, who then fatally shot her.[54] Anne Marie Murphy, the teacher's aide who worked with special-needs students in Soto's classroom, was found covering six-year-old Dylan Hockley, who also died.[55][56] Soto and four children were found dead in the classroom, Soto near the north wall of the room with a set of keys nearby.[37]:14 One child was taken to the hospital, but was pronounced dead.[37]:14Six surviving children from the class and a school bus driver took refuge at a nearby home.[57] According to the official report released by the state's attorney, nine children ran from Soto's classroom and survived, while two children were found by police hiding in a class bathroom.[37]:14 In all, 11 children from Soto's class survived.[52] Five of Soto's students were killed.[58]

In the classroom next door, Lanza pointed a gun at Victoria Soto, who was twenty-seven years old, and demanded to know where the children were. She lied and said that they’d gone to the auditorium, according to the Courant’s account; really, she had hidden them in a closet. He shot and killed Soto. When the police searched the room and opened the closet door, "there were seven sets of eyes looking at them," a law enforcement official told the Courant—all safe.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2012/12/obama-in-newtown-a-speech-about-guns.html#ixzz2OPHjQqFj


Parent Robert Licata told WABC-TV that when the gunman burst into the classroom of his six-year-old son and shot the teacher, his son grabbed his friends and ran out the door to safety. "That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he said. "He was very brave. He waited for his friends."

Aidan’s father explains, "They ran past the guy. He was standing in the doorway, and they just ran right past him."Aidan and his classmates ran out of the building toward the main road, where they were picked up by a woman who drove them to the police station.


Six of the children killed in the shooting massacre at Sandy Hook school were gunned down as they made a brave escape attempt, it emerged today.
The remaining seven petrified first-graders were later found in the closet by first responders at the Connecticut school.

If Soto had hidden all or some of her class, then why did some run? Wouldn’t they have remained where the were? It seems she had managed to hide only seven. the rest under desk?? And if the remaining children were out in plain sight, what good does it do to tell a shooter that the children were somewhere else?

The story of Miss Soto lieing and diveing in front of the gun is utter bullshit , she was so scared never bothered to even lock the door Had the entire class been hidden, none would have run. If the shooter entered her room while she was hiding them, it would do no good to say that they were in the auditorium. Yet she won a presidential award for doing it .

This is hyped -up bullshit at its best

having been told that Rousseau lost fourteen of her fifteen students, and that twenty died in total, six students had to have died in Soto’s room.



7 kids found alive in the closet, 6 kids escaped . that means only 2 kids were killed in Sotos room Miss soto only had fifteen kids in her class

NEWTOWN -- Tricia Gogliettino was driving to Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning to deliver a gingerbread house she and her first-grader had made as a school project.

She was about one mile from the school on Riverside Road when she saw five young children running up the road. She stopped the car and asked them what they were doing, said Gogliettino's brother, Ridgefield state Rep. John Frey. They told her, "Someone is trying to kill us. We were told to run," said Frey.
Gogliettino got the children in her car and tried to call the school. Getting no answer, she called Newtown police, who told her to bring the children to the police station.

While she was at the station, she sat in a room with the five children, trying to call their parents and singing to them. While there, she received a text that her own three children, who attend the school, were safe, Frey said.

"They ran past the guy. He standing in the doorway, and they just ran right past him," the boy's father said.
Aidan and the boys ran toward the front door, out of the building and then toward the main road where a woman stopped, picked them up and drove them to the police station.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I was going to wrote a detailed post but who cares. Some people have their minds made up no matter what facts are presented. Willfull Ignorance is a defense mechanism.

 

[holdover]

The Thing is Freddy ,Your reports skips over most of the story that has problems
Nancy lanza knew her kid was on medication, she knew he was wacked ,she said was afraid of him then she give him money for Christmas's to buy a Hand gun even though he was under age and could not buy one nor did he have a permit for one.


Other items found and noted for this report are:


- A Christmas check from the mother to the shooter to purchase a CZ 83 firearm;


http://www.ct.gov/csao/lib/csao/sandy_hook_final_report.pdf page 26



Also from police report but never photographed in home or otherwise :


A document written showing the prerequisites for a mass murder spreadsheet

- A spreadsheet listing mass murders by name and information about the incident

- Materials regarding the topic of pedophilia and advocating for rights for pedophiles (not child pornography)42

- Large amount of materials relating to Columbine shootings and documents on mass murders

- Large amount of materials on firearms
page 27


What about all the witnesses who are completely full of shit? Not mistaken, straight up lying ??

How about gene Rosen who found six kids from Sotos room ( who were also picked and brought to police station by a woman) on his front lawn who told them that their teacher is dead and he never called the fucking cops???

not one reliable witness not one person decided to use their phone for pics ?

Why did they destroy Lanza's 2 million dollar home? WTF?

WHy did they say nancy Lanza was a doomsday prepper and that's all she talked about when she had no books or videos on the subject , nor did she have any food or ammo stock piled ?

Why does a suicidal kid who just killed his mother destroy his computer? So they wont find out who did it?

Why do none of the kids who ran out of the front door ,run to several parents who claimed to have been out front ? why did they warn them? why didn't any of them ask for help?

Why do early pics of the shooters car show all 4 doors open with two sweatshirts on the ground on opposite sides of the car , then later pics show all the doors closed? Its a crime scene cops wouldn't normally do that .

we have a school nurse , Sally Cox who worked for SH S for 22 years who claims to have worked with Nancy lanza as a teacher at sandy hook , and find out later she was never a teacher at sandy hook . why would the school nurse claim she worked there when she didn't??


So far we have seven kids who survived in the closet that the police found, and five kids from sotos class who were found bby Mrs Gogliettino and six kids who survived who were found on the lawn of Gene Rosens house. so far that's eighteen survivors . include the dead and you have 6 more . that's 24 total students in a class of 14 .


Book 5
00005524.pdf
Natalie Hammond told people in conference room shooter was wearing a mask.
"One of the teachers in the meeting, "Natalie", ran and shut the meeting room door and thereafter said that she had been shot. 04 related that Natalie had said that "he had a mask on."

Book 5
00006254.pdf
"While 04 was on the telephone, Hammond provided her with a description of what she had seen. Hammond related that she saw a person with a mask and that Hochspring and Sherlack had been shot."

Sally Cox and the school nurseand Barbra Hallstead hid in the building for 4 hours after the shooting even though the building was swept 4 times . 4 times!!! with k9's !!!! Are you kidding me??? the same sally cox who claims she knew nancy lanza and worked with her for years???

 

[Marine Cpl]

Add the...

-lack of Internet activity from the school. Fact checkable.

-the lack of updated handicapped parking spaces with the proper updated symbols.

-the lack of emergency medical helicopters called to the scene. Where are the EMT's rushing back and forth like in the Orlando Shooting? Nurse Sally Cox claims she hid in a closet for 4 hours until about 1pm. Where is the cell phone footage of victims at the hospital?

-homes with a sale transaction date of 12/25/2009 and a $0 sale price in the area.

-memorial web pages created before the event.

-the government’s continuing refusal to release the death certificates and burial sites of the alleged victims. Also no hospital records like in Orlando.

-the reports of the school being contaminated with asbestos, requiring expensive repairs. Fact checkable.

-the absolute denial of routine work repair orders or emails from the school.

-the coincidental meeting with Governor Mallow by Eric fucking Holder 2 weeks prior and after the event.

- the portable bathrooms all in the parking lot and firehouse. Why we're people walking around in circles there and changing their clothes?

-the fact that the only victims willing to go on camera were members of the screen actors guild.

- How was a skinny kid with no military training able carry all that weight and cleanly kill 26 people with not one victim with just an injury?

-why were all the funerals conducted with closed caskets?

-where are the alleged other 600 students? Why aren't they talking? Why were just the same 12 or so students only paraded around?

Why are individual Law Enforcement Officers immediately gagged when they come forth?

 

[Robin]

Why was Wolfgang Hilbig, a nationally known investigator of school shootings threatened repeatedly, once in his own home by Connecticut law officials, if he didn't cease and desist his investigation of Sandy Hook.
A lot of people that have looked into this further than the pap that was spoon fed to the public have taken the fall back position that something terrible happened there, but not what they have told us. Me, I'm still not sure anything terrible happened there other than a well planned and poorly choreographed government operation.
Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't think anything terrible happened at all. My theory is that these actors were paid, given a home, and told to play the narrative. Period.

There is more evidence pointing to that it never happened at all compared to it happening. As a matter of fact, can anyone point to just one piece of concrete evidence that it did happen like in prior and subsequent mass shootings?

I suspect....No.

 

[holdover]

Shotgun blast to magazine rack by window front lobby Sandy hook Police photos





Adams shot gun was in the car, it was never fired , the police never fired , and no spent shotgun shell was recorded .
Yet here is shotgun blast to the magazine rack by the window.

 

[freddy]

,,,Some people have their minds made up no matter what facts are presented. Willfull Ignorance is a defense mechanism.

Precisely. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Steal2B]

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[holdover]

Precisely. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Problem is guys like you think you know what happened without ever having read a dam thing about it . Absolute ignorance. you copy and pasted a watered down version of events that skipped over every inconsistency in the story and then claim everybody else is ignorant because they question it. Even today when almost Every American is hip to the fact that CNN FOX and mainstream media lies for political purposes , people like you who haven't read anything about it insist what they were told is true. 90% of what I say is taken from police reports and eye witness's .

 

[Steal2B]

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www.google.com/amp/www.theblaze.com/news/2013/01/23/this-is-theblazes-point-by-point-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory-debunk/amp/

 

[holdover]

Unfortunately this tragic event occurred. We have family in the district including elementary school children. Our family survived but I can guarantee the funerals and the disappearance of innocents were not fake. I wish it was.

But what happened? Every single witness story bullshit! I cant say for sure that people were or were not killed , I lean to the side that they were , but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that points someplace else. Almost everything about the Lanzas are conflicting , Lots of very strange things happening with this story ..For instance a police and witness gag order from a judge when the crime was solved the same day, Why the gag order? the shooter is dead.

 

[holdover]

First hand knowledge. It happened. No bullshit.

Are you under a gag order too? If you have something to add then you should .

No offense meant to you , but its hard to believe without your explaining

 

[Marine Cpl]

Unfortunately this tragic event occurred. We have family in the district including elementary school children. Our family survived but I can guarantee the funerals and the disappearance of innocents were not fake. I wish it was.

What are you saying exactly? That you personally know people that had a child who attended that school and died?

Because if it happened in my district with closed caskets, I can say the same.

 

[holdover]

My Brother in law was Paul bearer at one of the wakes , closed casket . That means nothing really.

 

[Steal2B]

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[Marine Cpl]

I'll be the ignorant asshole here. Prove me to be one. Give me concrete proof.

I'd much rather humbly apologize for being an ignorant asshole and eat crow then have a government conspiracy of that magnitude.

Prove me wrong.

 

[holdover]

I wont press you out of respect . But it still doesn't prove what took place that day or why there is shotgun blast in a magazine rack or why the shooter opened all 4 doors of his car and brought two black sweat shirts threw them on the ground or why the bus driver picked up the kids in the parking lot and dropped them off on a total strangers front lawn , left and not call the police.

 

[holdover]

Every single facet of this story can be ripped apart . This story is bogus . I don't know what happened , I just know the story doesn't hold water.

 

[Steal2B]

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[holdover]

No actually it does . It doesn't explain why every thing we are told about the story is false.

How may kids died in sotos room? the police say six kids were killed in her class the police say that 7 kids were found alive in the closet. the police reports say six kids from sotos room were found on Gene Rosens lawn, the police reports state that a woman dropped off 5 kids confirmed to be from sotos room at the police station . Add it up, How many kids were in Sotos room? Accordin to police reports 26!!!!!

What does that prove? It proves we don't know what happened .

 

[holdover]

Bottom of lanzas shoe, no blood, no glass, typical for climbing through a smashed window and butchering 27 people .

Adams shoe size is 8/12 ,NOT typical for a 6 ft guy weighing 112 pounds.

Hows does he walk through a pile of glass and blood and his sneakers look like this?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Kids died. A freind of my daughter who was a teacher died. These are facts. Can not be faked. The other bullshit has little or no relevance on the final consquence. From my perspective it appears the only actions that could potentially preclude a similar recurrence are mental health issues. Period.

Put up or shut up. Give me the proof that it happened. Even experts haven't been able to prove that it happened. Put us conspiracy theorists in our place.

Did you feed them cookies and refrehments too while they played in your driveway?

 

[Steal2B]

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[Marine Cpl]

Shut up yourself. If you are that motivated, your shortest trip woulld be to drive to St Joseph's Cemetary in Somers. Annie Murphy is buried there. Bring your own shovel. Unbelievable. The burden of your denial is on you.

No it isn't troll. Had the role been reversed, I'd provide proof to nip this in the bud and keep this country moving forward. It would be my duty to do so since even experts have no concrete evidence that it happened.

Nice try. Every forum or comment section of an article has a guy like you. Get lost.

 

[Steal2B]

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[Marine Cpl]

Done with your trolling. You can not un do what I experienced. Not my job to straighten you out. Take responsibility for yourself. I am done with you. Life is too short for trolling.

As I thought. Put me on ignore.

 

[freddy]

Problem is guys like you think you know what happened without ever having read a dam thing about it . Absolute ignorance. you copy and pasted a watered down version of events that skipped over every inconsistency in the story and then claim everybody else is ignorant because they question it. Even today when almost Every American is hip to the fact that CNN FOX and mainstream media lies for political purposes , people like you who haven't read anything about it insist what they were told is true. 90% of what I say is taken from police reports and eye witness's .

I hope we can agree to disagree, but still be friends.

 

[holdover]

Its Kool, nothing personal