School me on all I need to know to understand AR pistols....

[Jem45472]

10.5" psa barrel with 12" mlok upper and fluted flash can.

Anderson lower

Timney 3lb skeletonized trigger

Original sb15 brace

Hogue pistol grip, Magpul afg, fab defense magwell grip

Holosun h510c red dot, sightmark lopro mini flashlight/green laser

We live in same area, and camps are in same area. Let me know if you want to try before you buy.


If I pin the flash can on, and add a vfg where the bipod is, it magically becomes "an other". But I'm not about to go down that path.

 

[Justincase]

10.5" psa barrel with 12" mlok upper and fluted flash can.

Anderson lower

Timney 3lb skeletonized trigger

Original sb15 brace

Hogue pistol grip, Magpul afg, fab defense magwell grip

Holosun h510c red dot, sightmark lopro mini flashlight/green laser

We live in same area, and camps are in same area. Let me know if you want to try before you buy.
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If I pin the flash can on, and add a vfg where the bipod is, it magically becomes "an other". But I'm not about to go down that path.

So when you bought that lower, it was transferred as a pistol then? And do you HAVE to have a foregrip on it to make it a pistol?

 

[Jem45472]

So when you bought that lower, it was transferred as a pistol then? And do you HAVE to have a foregrip on it to make it a pistol?

No, most stripped lowers are transferred as others. The FFL then gives you a pistol receipt. There are certain problems with them doing this however and I don't recall exactly what they are. Something with manufacturing, and some extra paperwork that needs to be done. That is why most ffl's won't, or say they can't.

@Eddie Gunks would be able to explain it, he's probably getting tired of it though.

Foregrip has nothing to do with it. What makes it a pistol is a barrel shorter than 16" and no stock. But then again there is no rule on how long a pistol barrel can be. And if overall length is over 26" and you have a vertical foregrip attached, it is neither a pistol, or a rifle and is legal for now. If you add a vertical foregrip with under 26" overall length you go to jail. Confusing huh. Thanks atf and NY.

 

[Justincase]

No, most stripped lowers are transferred as others. The FFL then gives you a pistol receipt. There are certain problems with them doing this however and I don't recall exactly what they are. Something with manufacturing, and some extra paperwork that needs to be done. That is why most ffl's won't, or say they can't.

@Eddie Gunks would be able to explain it, he's probably getting tired of it though.

Foregrip has nothing to do with it. What makes it a pistol is a barrel shorter than 16" and no stock. But then again there is no rule on how long a pistol barrel can be. And if overall length is over 26" and you have a vertical foregrip attached, it is neither a pistol, or a rifle and is legal for now. If you add a vertical foregrip with under 26" overall length you go to jail. Confusing huh. Thanks atf and NY.

Gotcha. Thanks. So when I bought my awesome Aero Precision M4E1 special edition lower I should've asked for him to list it as a pistol on the receipt.

Well, when the PPO opens after all this crap, if they don't allow me to put it on my permit there'll be a nice lower for sale here soon thereafter.

 

[Chevusa]

Not sure the point of having one in 12-14 inch configuration. Too close to the standard rifle. Go 7.5" in .300 BLK. Fixed mag, of course.

 

[Jem45472]

Gotcha. Thanks. So when I bought my awesome Aero Precision M4E1 special edition lower I should've asked for him to list it as a pistol on the receipt.

Well, when the PPO opens after all this crap, if they don't allow me to put it on my permit there'll be a nice lower for sale here soon thereafter.

I don't know how the ppo will put it on without the proper information on the FFL receipt, but if they do, let us know.

 

[Skinny420]

Is there a minimum barrel length on an "other"? If you pinned the brace fully extended could you put a 7.5"? Anybody have an ar 10 other?

 

[garyv350]

Overall length needs to be 26 inches however you get there...

 

[Jem45472]

Is there a minimum barrel length on an "other"? If you pinned the brace fully extended could you put a 7.5"? Anybody have an ar 10 other?

An 11.5" barrel

 

[Justincase]

I don't know how the ppo will put it on without the proper information on the FFL receipt, but if they do, let us know.

I will. From now on I'll have them all listed as pistols just in case. Unless there's some stupid red tape associated with that too

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Not sure the point of having one in 12-14 inch configuration. Too close to the standard rifle. Go 7.5" in .300 BLK. Fixed mag, of course.

ha ha ha. Because if you have a 14.5 (like me) and a blade.....it can be fired from the shoulder (yes they can. Do your research...,,, the ATF ate a shit sand which over this! Ha ha ha!)

AND! The best part is you can now have it LOADED in a motor vehicle! Ha ha ha. So youbasically can have a loaded rifle (EEEERRRRRR! i mean PISTOL) in your car with a standard cap ( where legal! Bwah ha ha!) mag in it
!

THATS WHY!

 

[Jem45472]

ha ha ha. Because if you have a 14.5 (like me) and a blade.....it can be fired from the shoulder (yes they can. Do your research...,,, the ATF ate a shit sand which over this! Ha ha ha!)

AND! The best part is you can now have it LOADED in a motor vehicle! Ha ha ha. So youbasically can have a loaded rifle (EEEERRRRRR! i mean PISTOL) in your car with a standard cap ( where legal! Bwah ha ha!) mag in it
!

THATS WHY!

Yeah, until the atf flip flops for a third time on this lol. You never know what type of bullshit they're going to come up with next.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yeah, until the atf flip flops for a third time on this lol. You never know what type of bullshit they're going to come up with next.

Maybe if people would stop calling and writing them asking if they can do this or that then we wont have to worry about it

 

[Criticalt]

They are cool, buy one.
Thats what I know.

 

[Jem45472]

Maybe if people would stop calling and writing them asking if they can do this or that then we wont have to worry about it

Common sense isn't it? I couldn't count how many posts I've seen of people calling to ask if shouldering a brace is legal. Idiots.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Common sense isn't it? I couldn't count how many posts I've seen of people calling to ask if shouldering a brace is legal. Idiots.

Oh agreed.. especially after all the letters showing the ATF said it's not illegal (the first time) and articles written.

But no people want to go and write the ATF and I will put money most of their conversations were of these people saying can I do this instead of getting a tax stamp for a sbr... ie doing exactly what they arent supposed to do, "intent to circumvent the NFA" vs "if you just so happen to shoulder the brace"