Should It Be Okay to Violate Criminal’s Rights?

[Tisto]

""P.C. was the weapon he found on you. ""

The weapon was legal, The assumption by the officer that it wasn't, was his probable cause. Or he knowingly didn't ask for a permit as an excuse to search. The first question the officer should have asked is Do you have a permit for the weapon. ?No gives him PC. Yes doesn't . ( unless he runs it) If he had a trunk full of coke it would be thrown out. .

First, he never even gave me a reason for pulling me over, despite my asking. Second, why was I asked to step out of the car for a minor traffic violation, especially one to which there was a good reason given ? Third, why did he pat me down without telling me he was going to do so ? Fourth, why did he not ask if I had a weapon ? I could go on, but the point is that once my rights were violated, the whole thing snowballed. Bottom line is that he wanted to be a "drug bustin' hero" and I just happened to be the perp. It just didn't quite work out that way.

About two months later, I happened to meet up with LEO #2. He recognized me or at least recognized my vehicle. He told me parts of the story I did not know. According to him, cop #1 pulled me over because I turned at the red light. The fact that I sat there for a bit without a turning signal on and then turned drew his attention. He had been watching the intersection for drug sales and thought that I saw his cruiser which caused me to get spooked and leave before the group of people made their way to me. So to him, the chase was on.

Still, NONE of that gives probable cause. A vehicle travels through a rough neighborhood, stops for a red light, and then turns right on red. What exactly is suspicious about that ?

I say he had visions of being a "hero", and/or a God complex. Couple that with his perception of "contempt of cop", and we have a fabulous recipe for rights to be violated at will. For him, the ends absolutely justified the means. I know for a fact that the POS is still on the force, too. I also know there have been complaints and accusations made against him. Why is he protected ? If I was one of the "good" cops, I would want him GONE. RIGHT NOW. He gives ALL cops a bad name. Still, he is protected and still on the job. What a great country. Lie, cheat steal and expect respect because you have a badge. Not in my book.

 

[holdover]

I don't believe he ever had probable cause to search from What your saying. From what the cop told you about the light, and the way you swung around the pot hole, could very much look like you were intoxicated. the fact that you waited , then turned, adds to that .You were in a know drug area, that adds to that. It does look like you may have been trying to evade the observation of the police. the fact you were a white guy in the hood at 3 am isn't helping you , Nothing illegal about it , but it sticks out like a sore thumb, Your actions , innocent as they might have been, would have looked suspicious to the officer , enough to pull you over and question you and observe your behavior . He doesn't need to have probable cause to stop you he needs reasonable suspicion which is a much looser set of standards.

I don't know why he asked you get out of the car, there could have been various legal reasons to do so . I cant say why , But he does have the right to do it. The frisk is always legal during a detention . Although I don't know what was going through his mind at that time.

The problem I saw was the search . He never asked or checked to see if the gun was legal. At that point he did not have PC to search your car from what your saying.

A similar thing happened to me when was I was Kid . My first car, blue 74 Duster with Colorado Plates. I bought from my girlfriends sister . I swear I got pulled over every three or 4 minutes Anyhow I was pulled over , frisked cuffed thrown in the back of the squad car and had no fucking clue what was going on . He searched my car inside and out opened my trunk and went through that . He told me I went through a stop that did not exist, He said it did. I told him there no stop sign there . He said yes there is .
( I grew up there, and there wasn't any stop sign there then or now.) He said you know why I cuffed you? I said No, He said you have several warrants out for your arrest . I said Bull fucking shit ! what are are you talking about? He said your name came back positive for warrants burglary and a few other things ,I said no fucking way guy, I said I want to hear that for my self Call dispatch and I want to hear that come back . he said OK , He called dispatch, spelled out my name , came back negative , He said it must have been someone else with your name out of Pittsburg , He let me go and gave me a ticket for the stop sign.

Ask me how I know

 

[Acer-m14]

The problem I saw was the search . He never asked or checked to see if the gun was legal.

the thing i see .. leo pat you down finds a gun in a 100 dollar holster or how ever much it costs and then freaks out .. like gangbanger/dealers wear holsters lol ... that should have his first clue ohh do you have a permit ..

 

[M_F]

Theres is no such thing as an illegal gun, if they can be trusted by society to not be incarcerated, can still posses knifes and other deadly weapons, they have the same 2A rights as all law abiding people.