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Should the Police / Military have Cell Phone Towers shut off in areas of insurrection ?
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mebe
Curmudgeon
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Not suggesting you were.
Deplorable Me
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FRS, handheld SW, messengers on bicycles. Where there's a will there's a way. I'll bet the bastards use data minutes on cell phones to monitor police band radios. Not all but some are organized like bands of guerilla fighters. The less centralized and organized they are the more effective the guerilla cell. A lesson of Vietnam.
I am not a fan of shutting down these types of services. There are many other ways to stop the riots and the looters. Politicians are just no prepared to use the other tools at hand.
Here is a small list of tools that can be used and deployed to stop these scumbags from doing the nasty things they are doing:
Rapidly deployed razor wire.
Extreme water cannons.
Long Range acoustic devices.
Serious amounts of pepper balls, CS canisters and pepper spray. Not the weak spray most are using, but the 5.4 million SHU that some departments have.
The Military.
Live rounds.
Here is a small list of tools that can be used and deployed to stop these scumbags from doing the nasty things they are doing:
Rapidly deployed razor wire.
Extreme water cannons.
Long Range acoustic devices.
Serious amounts of pepper balls, CS canisters and pepper spray. Not the weak spray most are using, but the 5.4 million SHU that some departments have.
The Military.
Live rounds.
Steal2B
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If it gets dicey enough, the network can't handle the cell traffic anyway. In semi-rural areas and suburban areas, the networks are marginal with current traffic.
Now, if the phone companies want to shut down the towers, I would have zero issue with that.
Steal2B
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With mobile EMP ordinance available to the military and so easy to DIY (huge penalties for civilian use) it is not necessary to shut down multiple towers for service disruption.
This is a definite slippery slope issue and the slope has embedded glass shards.
But, as @holdover has said, we are definitely in a low intensity conflict, and it's 4GW...make no mistake about it.
We're 5 months away from what will be, IMHO, the most important election since 1860.
The battlespace is being defined as we watch, with the Maoist/anarchist mob seeking to own that battlespace - the streets - now.
The Antifa/anarchist scum have been quiet for quite a while (their handlers/paymasters have kept them on a leash)...until George Floyd. Just like gun-grabbers, they bide their time...and wait for a spark, any spark they can pour accelerant on.
IMHO, this will continue, at varying levels of intensity until, during and after the election...regardless of outcome.
This is essentially a replay of the Red Guard led "Cultural Revolution" under Mao.
It's purpose is to intimidate and kow the populace and destroy any remaining social cohesiveness left in the USA.
The disgusting kowtowing of some police and National Guard - to include kneeling to criminal thugs and dancing the macarena in the streets shows that it is working.
The object is to destroy the will of the average American to vote for whom they choose...which would not be a Maoist government. People have bowed down to the ridiculous measures put in place to "fight" a virus that has proved to be, at best, marginally worse than flu.
The close juxtaposition of the Gearge Floyd debacle to the "outing" of the true nature of COVID-19 is not coincidence...it is diabolically purposeful.
Fear now rules the lives of average Americans, with many having gone "total Karen" - they are now malleable to almost any machination of the leftist cabal.
All those who wish to see even a translucent specter of the former USA continuing to exist must respond in ways they have never dreamed necessary.
Collect intelligence on your own AO - what and who are the potential sources of support for leftists? Who can you really trust? Including relatives and local officials - it is obvious to me that no village or town official in The 'Hood can be trusted. Most buy into the government bullshit and even say that "We must do what we're told to do". They are no better than loyal Gauleiters in Nazi Germany.
IMHO the rubber is about to hit the road, and many of the fictional dystopian novels are about to become real.
But, as @holdover has said, we are definitely in a low intensity conflict, and it's 4GW...make no mistake about it.
We're 5 months away from what will be, IMHO, the most important election since 1860.
The battlespace is being defined as we watch, with the Maoist/anarchist mob seeking to own that battlespace - the streets - now.
The Antifa/anarchist scum have been quiet for quite a while (their handlers/paymasters have kept them on a leash)...until George Floyd. Just like gun-grabbers, they bide their time...and wait for a spark, any spark they can pour accelerant on.
IMHO, this will continue, at varying levels of intensity until, during and after the election...regardless of outcome.
This is essentially a replay of the Red Guard led "Cultural Revolution" under Mao.
It's purpose is to intimidate and kow the populace and destroy any remaining social cohesiveness left in the USA.
The disgusting kowtowing of some police and National Guard - to include kneeling to criminal thugs and dancing the macarena in the streets shows that it is working.
The object is to destroy the will of the average American to vote for whom they choose...which would not be a Maoist government. People have bowed down to the ridiculous measures put in place to "fight" a virus that has proved to be, at best, marginally worse than flu.
The close juxtaposition of the Gearge Floyd debacle to the "outing" of the true nature of COVID-19 is not coincidence...it is diabolically purposeful.
Fear now rules the lives of average Americans, with many having gone "total Karen" - they are now malleable to almost any machination of the leftist cabal.
All those who wish to see even a translucent specter of the former USA continuing to exist must respond in ways they have never dreamed necessary.
Collect intelligence on your own AO - what and who are the potential sources of support for leftists? Who can you really trust? Including relatives and local officials - it is obvious to me that no village or town official in The 'Hood can be trusted. Most buy into the government bullshit and even say that "We must do what we're told to do". They are no better than loyal Gauleiters in Nazi Germany.
IMHO the rubber is about to hit the road, and many of the fictional dystopian novels are about to become real.
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holdover
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You forgot dogs and horses!
holdover
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No matter who wins the election in NOV. the other side will claim its illegitimate. Shit is going to hit the fan either way.
Well said.
Just wanted to make clear McVeigh was also protesting murders with violence, just like many are today.
The difference between then and now ?
The murderers of men, women and children at Waco and Ruby Ridge were never prosecuted. Chavin is.
And McVeigh was hunted and executed. The ANTIFA bombers will never be.
Pretty sure any President has several courses of action to force the companies to comply.
Including sending Army Corps of Engineering aloft to disable.
UNLESS - the present crop of Traitors - Comey, Clapper, McCabe, etc. are made an example of. SOON.
I have total faith that the NSA can, and does, track EVERYTHING.
Including the charcaters I am typing right now.
The only reason ANTIFA is walking our streets is because the corrupt Deep State allows and encourages them.
spat
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Trust me, it doesn't take more than a phone call or in some cases a button press.
No, because it cannot be localized to a specific location, it will sweep up law abiding citizens in its shutdown.
Can they do it? Yes, of course!
Is it a violation of law abiding citizens rights, well I would think that's obvious.
There are cell phone signal jammers that can be localized to a few hundred feet, or blocks if necessary. Towers handle a much wider area and should not be considered. Is simple, if there were still phone booths on corners, would you think it would be acceptable to render those inoperable by authorities too? Of course not...
Anyways... Back to our regular programming...
Can they do it? Yes, of course!
Is it a violation of law abiding citizens rights, well I would think that's obvious.
There are cell phone signal jammers that can be localized to a few hundred feet, or blocks if necessary. Towers handle a much wider area and should not be considered. Is simple, if there were still phone booths on corners, would you think it would be acceptable to render those inoperable by authorities too? Of course not...
Anyways... Back to our regular programming...
As a practical matter, Phone Booths on Corners never had anywhere need the capabilities of Cell Phones.
It's a Donkey Cart vs GMC Canyon Pickup comparison.
I'm good with jamming if there is a strong case that cell phones are being used to encourage and coordinate a riot.
Shut cell towers down and you will hamper the ability for people to calm for help. If you are inclined to make sure the people no longer feel the need for governments by all means shut the towers down.
spat
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During riots because people are complaining that the police aren't being held accountable, you want to strangle the flow of information from the "hot zone" ?
People will immediately assume the worst.
Agitators will fabricate atrocities out of whole cloth, and there will be nobody on site that the masses trust to counter them.
It is the worst possible choice.
Didn’t have a s much detail but thanks for putting in to words what I was thinking. Police have plenty of tools to handle rioters but chiefs, administrators and politicians don’t have the will to use.
If shutting down cell towers might as well turn off the water supply, the electricity and emergency services. Ordinary citizens can just cower in darkness and hope their home isn’t next.
No thanks.
ProgSpear
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An alternative viewpoint:
www.breitbart.com
Pinkerton: A Digital Dragnet to Stop Antifa
Big data can identify each and every protester, and then, operating within that data set, figure out who’s a criminal.
www.breitbart.com