State Police illegally tie drivers license to carry permits
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Depick
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Another case of do as I say not as I do
Celt
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Im sure there are many more states that are doing this, and it needs to be challenged in court to force them tostop and they need to be penalized. The problem is, it shouldn't have started in the first place and it shouldn't take a lawsuit to get this kind of practice to stop.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
if the NRA was actually on our side all efforts should be to enforce against this. you want to do this; then background check and all the other crap we gun owners have to put up with goes to voting rights also .. gotta corvette ... bad car .. to fast and all plastic ... you cant vote .. .. what , you dont own your home .. you cant vote .. ...
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
They admitt that's the reason for you having to renew your pistol permit and have since the beginning. I don't agree with it. And no they do not already have your dl and pp linked as of today
Sorry Salt, but I have to disagree with you about them being linked up as of today. My "interactions" with my local PD have shown that they are in fact linked up, and a senior officer of the same PD confirmed to me that the information was in fact showing up on their screens during traffic stops, as well as when they drove past us using their license plate scanners. He told me that they were getting audible hits whenever their scanner read a tag of a licensed CCW holder.
Also, as I had posted on the old place, NY has provided a database link to Canada on NY handgun owners.
Lastly, while it was interesting to read about PA and their law restricting disclosure,- as well as specified penalties for it,- which they are ignoring.... I also found the same thing here in NY. Even though I filed my non disclosure form with the Erie County PPO, my local PD totally violated that. In fact, I even have a copy of one of their DI reports where a detective disclosed the existance of my permit to people who then came to my house and menaced me a week later!
Of course, I have yet to find a lawyer with big enough balls to want to take them on over it. Seems like a slam dunk to me, but what do I know...
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Back in my day, you would get a call to a particular address or run a particular name over the radio and you would get a 'heads up" from other cops that knew the person. Watch him he is a fighter - or the guy is an OBS case or he likes his 9mm etc.
Nowadays you can have every bit of information available at your finger prints. Subjects past arrests (if any) How many times Police have been called to his house - did he pay his taxes - how much were his taxes - did he pay his insurance company - what medications - what licenses he has or has had revoked and on and on. As a cop it is good stuff as a citizen it is un-american. Some day it will be, and he has used the following search words on the interweb in the past 48 hours, he is behind on his rent and has a balance of 5.15 left on his credit cards. His house has recorded 4 toilet flushes today and his thermostat is set to high. .
Nobody needs a room to be 82 degrees Nobody needs 82 degrees to kiw a deeeaahh.
Nowadays you can have every bit of information available at your finger prints. Subjects past arrests (if any) How many times Police have been called to his house - did he pay his taxes - how much were his taxes - did he pay his insurance company - what medications - what licenses he has or has had revoked and on and on. As a cop it is good stuff as a citizen it is un-american. Some day it will be, and he has used the following search words on the interweb in the past 48 hours, he is behind on his rent and has a balance of 5.15 left on his credit cards. His house has recorded 4 toilet flushes today and his thermostat is set to high. .
Nobody needs a room to be 82 degrees Nobody needs 82 degrees to kiw a deeeaahh.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Erie County has it up and running, but I forgot the name for it.
Saltwater60
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That's interesting because I was just talking with my dad a week or two ago and he currently is a detective and he was just saying how he was at a domestic violence training and it would be nice to have an alert if the offender had guns. He was just saying there was a case recently where a township nearby missed that some one had guns because they had to look somewhere else and that person was murdered. I also asked him about 6 months ago if it showed up on their traffic stops and another local cop, they both said no it does not show up on their computer. So maybe some do and some don't. Anyway it will be done soon so I can't wait for more privacy laws to be broken I love the land of the free.
It definitely shows up on some and not the others. I was stopped by a local cop a few years back and he straight up asked me if I had any of my pistols in the car. I don't know if he was alerted via license plate to pull me over, but I wasn't speeding, swerving, talking on the phone, etc. I did have a temporary 10 day inspection paper on my windshield though. However, that could easily be seen.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
So just to be sure I asked my dad again just now and he said no the guns and pistol permit do not come up on a run of your dl. At least not in his town. I'm not saying it's that way for all towns, but I suppose you never know. My dad did say it was handed over to the Canadian border police or whatever they are called.
holdover
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""Erie County has it up and running, but I forgot the name for it.""
Tyranny
Tyranny
Celt
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My privacy trumps anyones perceived safety. This is complete nonsense!
S&W Fan
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My CCW has been tied to my DL here in Onon. Cnty. for many years. I was stopped for imprudent speed once, some 15 yrs. Ago and the first thing out of the sheriffs mouth was " are you carrying your gun today" I wasn't, as I was on my way to work, but It caught me completely off guard. I hold no illusions that the stateies are also privy to this info. At their fingertips.
Bozo
.45 acp
I wonder if that could be a bluff, sort of like "Have you been drinking tonight"? For those states where it is illegal to link the two systems, there is nothing to prevent "notes" being entered into a PD database that could be checked during the License plate verification. Over the years, many CCW holders could be tagged just through interactions at traffic stops and presto - you get pulled over and the officer knows you have a CCW as soon as he runs your plate. Not unlike how some companies have the ability to flag problem customers in their systems.
On 2nd thought, that all sounds like a lot of work, when ignoring the law is so much simpler.
On 2nd thought, that all sounds like a lot of work, when ignoring the law is so much simpler.
Several cops in my local PD have confirmed to me that the information is showing up in their vehicles, and they are getting audible hits when their scanners read our plates that specifically let them know of a CCW holder.
Maybe it is not happening everywhere, but it is where I live.
As for the Canadians, I have crossed into Canada countless times over the years. I've gotten the basic questions about bringing any firearms or weapons over there routinely.
But strangely enough, starting right after I got my CCW, I have now been immediately challenged with multiple gun related questions including:
Are you bringing any HANDGUNS into Canada today?
How many HANDGUNS do you own?
Why do you feel the need to own HANDGUNS?
My answers have now been refined to:
No sir. I left them at home today.
That's really none of your damn business.
Because it's my right, and your loss.
I haven't been given the body cavity search yet. But do they know which US citizens (at least NY residents anyway) have CCW's? They damn sure do, and it pisses me off to think that our government is turning that information over to a foreign government.
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chrisc1122
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What possible use is information like this to law enforcement.
Do they get the same information for criminals who elected not to get a permit because they are simply not law abiding citizens ??
I would think that should such an alarm go off! The officer should be at ease !
No problem here, just a law abiding citizen, move along.
Do they get the same information for criminals who elected not to get a permit because they are simply not law abiding citizens ??
I would think that should such an alarm go off! The officer should be at ease !
No problem here, just a law abiding citizen, move along.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, if it doesn't alert you that he's a gun owner, do you act differently ?
Because I'm thinking that sort of complacency will get someone killed, after all the most dangerous gun owners don't show up in any database, Jamal on the corner doesn't keep very good records.
Then, if you aren't going to act differently based on the results of this search, what's the value in the, search to begin with ?
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I'm sure they would act differently since they know you have a gun. I get you point though as they should treat everyone as a potential life threatening situation.
Bottom line is this is illegal. So is giving the info to Canada.
I just read a guns America article where the Feds are asking local police to go to gun show parking lots and scan liscense plates to track who's going and to see where they go after the show. Especially on border towns to see if they are smuggling guns.
I too get asked if I'm carrying a weapon of I cross Canada. Then they go through. List and ask specifically about firearms. I just politely say they are at home in the safe. They say proceed then.