Anyone with common sense would get the hell out of any city if shit hits the fan within the day. Take all the food, jewelry, ammunition, and other important shit and be out by night. After 3 days people start to go bat shit.
Surviving New York City After SHTF
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Yeah but you make it sound like only mad men live in NYC. If shtf everyone becomes mad. It’s pretty much trust no one and treat everyone as a potential threat.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Wherever you live is where you should stay. If you aren't home, you should get home. Reason being, home is where your supplies are. It would do you no good to bug out with less supplies and nowhere to go. You are far better off and safer staying home in the city if that's where you live with your supplies while letting everyone around you kill themselves.
It’s all fun and games until a nice group of hungry people come bashing through your door to come kill you and take what you have.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That can happen anywhere.
But if you’re somewhere remote... chances are very little.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
If things really go feral who is going to be riding down the road on a bicycle while people without the bicycle just watch on in envy? Where would you charge it? And where would you go anyway?
If you live in NYC and SHTF bad enough, food runs out, everyone is eating the weak within two weeks, forget it. It's like prepping for a nuclear war if you live in NYC. You're done for.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sandy hit and cut power to Manhattan for over 2 weeks. No rioting, no looting, nothing. We have the resources to handle most serious events. Parts of Staten Island and Brooklyn were completely destroyed.
If anything, after Sandy my views on these events really changed. For there to really be a change in humanity, a MAJOR event would have to happen. Nuclear war, alien invasion, inescapable virus, etc. There's a reason human history has been dominated by structured societies of one type or another: we seek order over chaos.
During Sandy there was a period of time where certain areas received little to no government or private services. We survived just fine. People helped each other, for weeks. I saw all of this first hand.
Society doesn't break down as easily as we all imagine.
In the sense of what we are talking about, there was none. The deaths were all storm related, not from some crazy societal breakdown afterwards.
Movement in situations like this is far more dangerous than hunkering in place. Not even close. Unless an incident is directly effecting your location at the moment, movement is the worst choice.
True to a point.
In an ideal world your home is in a remote location. Then you can just stay there and hope to ride it out.
If your home is not in a remote location and you want to flee an urban area to head for the hills you are going to only have what you can bring with you and will be a very tempting target for someone to take advantage of.
If your option is to stay home in an urban area or bug out to the hills your better off bugging in and keeping a low profile.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
As the chances of someone hunkered down in their apartment with their supplies. The people wouldn't know what you have.
How remote is remote? If you got there, someone else or a group of people could get there too.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
The day after Sandy my older brother and my two sisters had to wade in an out of their apartment buildings on East 20th Street in Manhattan, They rented hotel rooms in midtown, and went out to lunch.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Sandy was nothing. It was a hurricane. It wasn't a SHTF. It was an inconvenience. A SHTF is when there are no more trucks stocking supermarkets. After those supermarkets run out, the SHTF starts 3 days later.
That goes anywhere. Country or city.
That goes anywhere. Country or city.
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Go preach that to the poor folks on Staten Island or Long Island that completely lost their homes. 100% wiped out. Or those that lost virtually everything and got caught up in the corruption that prevented them from getting any federal assistance because their own insurance companies wouldn't cover the water damage because they didn't have flood insurance. There are still people from Sandy that aren't whole yet.
Yeah, SHTF scenarios differ for many people.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Probably one of the best books out there regarding actual SHTF scenarios. Written by a guy that lived through a true SHTF environment in Argentina. The real lesson is there is a difference between SHTF scenarios and "the end of the world as we know it" (TEOTWAWKI) scenarios. The first one is real, the second one is hollywood bullshit. Making plans for hollywood bullshit would seem to be counterproductive to me. In a true SHTF scenario life goes on but it is harder and much more challenging. But the basics don't change. As bad as they are, countries like argentina and venezuela are suffering under SHTF scenarios. It makes much more sense to prep for something like that. This book is an excellent starting point.
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Survi...sr=1-1&keywords=modern+survival+manual+ferfal
https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Survi...sr=1-1&keywords=modern+survival+manual+ferfal
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That was a major inconvenience but definitely not a SHTF by my standards. My definition of SHTF is when society collapses. When it comes to dog eat dog. When people that normally wouldn't kill will kill just to eat.
Agreed, this was pretty much my point. Anyone who makes elaborate plans and expects to engage during what really are routine events in reality, is mentally ill.
The type of planning we are discussing should be focused on truly one of a kind events. Society will not break down over a major earthquake or hurricane, even events double in scope to what we "normally" see. It would take an asteroid, Yellowstone blowing (maybe), worldwide virus with 50%+ infection rate, alien invasion, etc.
...and at that point, long term survival may not be possible or even desirable.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I worry about the "1 off, black swan" type scenarios. I think even if there is a catastrophe as long as it is localized and not nationwide things will be ok. Supply chains will remain in tact, people will work together, there is still rule of law etc..
My "fear" are the massive CME, EMP, major extended grid down, asteroid, yellowstone, major pandemic, limited nuclear exchanges etc
If the supply chain stops, people start starving and the rule of law breaks down, that's where I don't know what will happen and how people will behave. Those are the scenarios that worry me.
IrishMick
.44 mag
If you prep to the level to survive SHTF/TEOTWAWKI/Zombie Apocalypse (which may never happen in your lifetime). You will be well prepared for Hurricanes/Power Outages/Other Semi Catastrophic Events and probably be able to help others get through the event as well. If the Apocalypse does happen you might be able to survive that event too. Always be improving you position.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well said. No more supply chain equals real SHTF. Anything else and other nearby counties or states help out. There may be shortages but people aren't going to starve. But once the county as a whole starves, that's it. No more law. The military cannot patrol every street.
I think I've decided and come to the conclusion that if our supply chain remains in tact, things will be relatively ok, people will behave and things will get back to normal.
If the supply chain is broken and stops for an extended period of time that's when it will get ugly.
That is why you and the family train to slow this from happening. it's as if you have no idea what you are talking about.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I believe what is happening in Venezuela would be major event .
Absolutely, but that’s very unlikely here.
I wish I knew enough about the economy, national debt, unfunded liabilities, the petro dollar, fiat money etc to really have an educated idea where this is all heading, even then I'm not sure it would matter. Plenty of very smart knowledgeable people can't agree on what will happen.
Me, I don't know. But common sense says we just keep printing new money, not backed by anything, to pay off ludicrous amounts of interest on an incomprehensible debt as long as people continue to buy bonds and new debt.
How long can that continue? What happens WHEN we default on it?