.the current situation in Afghanistan is exactly the outcome those controlling the Biden administration want

[livingston]

Oh boy, Lara Logan appeared for an interview with Tucker Carlson [Full Article Here] and shouts a big trumpet. In essence, Ms. Logan points out come; because if there wasn’t, the outcome would be different.the current situation in Afghanistan is exactly the outcome those controlling the Biden administration want. There is a benefit to someone or some group in the current out

I happen to agree with this perspective because there are so many options that could have been taken before this point in the crisis was reached. We have seen this play out before [Bathtub Principle] where a crisis is created because the crisis has a purpose.



In Libya rather than Hillary Clinton and CIA Director Leon Panetta getting busted for selling surface-to-air missiles (SAMS) to al-Qaeda (Operation Zero Footprint), the State Department and CIA -essentially brother and sister agencies- helped “the Benghazi rebels” take over the Kadaffi weapons caches. If SAMS were then used elsewhere (Syria), well, they came from Kadaffi’s stores… see how that works?



Based on current political alignment, alliances, and the ideology behind who is in charge of specific U.S. government agencies, it can reasonably be assumed someone (insert Obama here) wants Pakistan and Iran to have advanced military technology via the stolen weapons we leave behind in Afghanistan. Why? Because those same people already made money selling advanced military tech to Iran, and this ‘crisis’ provides cover when it shows up later in their arsenal.

Lara Logan Carries a Big Trumpet About Afghanistan - If The U.S. Government Wanted it to be Different, It Would Be - The Last Refuge

Oh boy, Lara Logan appeared for an interview with Tucker Carlson [Full Article Here] and shouts a big trumpet. In essence, Ms. Logan points out the current situation in Afghanistan is exactly the outcome those controlling the Biden administration want. There is a benefit to someone or some...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[livingston]

 

[spat]

Oh boy, Lara Logan appeared for an interview with Tucker Carlson [Full Article Here] and shouts a big trumpet. In essence, Ms. Logan points out come; because if there wasn’t, the outcome would be different.the current situation in Afghanistan is exactly the outcome those controlling the Biden administration want. There is a benefit to someone or some group in the current out

I happen to agree with this perspective because there are so many options that could have been taken before this point in the crisis was reached. We have seen this play out before [Bathtub Principle] where a crisis is created because the crisis has a purpose.



In Libya rather than Hillary Clinton and CIA Director Leon Panetta getting busted for selling surface-to-air missiles (SAMS) to al-Qaeda (Operation Zero Footprint), the State Department and CIA -essentially brother and sister agencies- helped “the Benghazi rebels” take over the Kadaffi weapons caches. If SAMS were then used elsewhere (Syria), well, they came from Kadaffi’s stores… see how that works?



Based on current political alignment, alliances, and the ideology behind who is in charge of specific U.S. government agencies, it can reasonably be assumed someone (insert Obama here) wants Pakistan and Iran to have advanced military technology via the stolen weapons we leave behind in Afghanistan. Why? Because those same people already made money selling advanced military tech to Iran, and this ‘crisis’ provides cover when it shows up later in their arsenal.

Lara Logan Carries a Big Trumpet About Afghanistan - If The U.S. Government Wanted it to be Different, It Would Be - The Last Refuge

Oh boy, Lara Logan appeared for an interview with Tucker Carlson [Full Article Here] and shouts a big trumpet. In essence, Ms. Logan points out the current situation in Afghanistan is exactly the outcome those controlling the Biden administration want. There is a benefit to someone or some...

theconservativetreehouse.com

The theory is sound (that the disaster was intended).

But I think the motive goes *way* beyond covering for some illicit weapons sales.

 

[kev74]

The theory is sound (that the disaster was intended).

But I think the motive goes *way* beyond covering for some illicit weapons sales.

How about 20 years of grift, theft, etc?

I started hearing similar theories a couple of days ago. The more I think about tub the more it seems likely they're covering something (many things) up.

 

[spat]

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How about 20 years of grift, theft, etc?

I started hearing similar theories a couple of days ago. The more I think about tub the more it seems likely they're covering something (many things) up.

Not a cover up.

A power grab.

The rich and powerful tend to make all their gains during times of strife, not prosperity.

 

[@thewheels]

I said something similar in the other thread and @Robin alluded to it as well.
This is all going according to plan plus or minus a few thousand casualties.

 

[tirwin1]

I posted the story in the biden/afghanistan thread. It's impossible to be too cynical these days.

 

[Mosinitis]

There was no reason to get involved in a first place, 43 years ago. Now, both equaly guilty political parties are shifting the blame on each other. Just be honest and own up to the past mistake, instead of trying to extract cream out of pile of shit.

 

[Shadow rider]

Thank you Charlie Wilson!

 

[fresch]

Remember they will walk over dead babies to get the money.

 

[Mosinitis]

Asshole from Texas.
Rot in Hell

 

[tirwin1]

Are you a US citizen currently trapped in afghanistan? Want to get out? Hope you have $2,000 handy:


The idiocy of the current administration continues to get worse.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

There was no reason to get involved in a first place, 43 years ago. Now, both equaly guilty political parties are shifting the blame on each other. Just be honest and own up to the past mistake, instead of trying to extract cream out of pile of shit.

The government...and politicians...owning up to a mistake...

 

[Mosinitis]

The government...and politicians...owning up to a mistake...

It's not just the government and politicians.

 

[Blimey]

It's not just the government and politicians.

This is why I believe that afghanistan is such an epic clusterfuck we need to own it as a nation. And that includes the voters. We all knew that this was going on but sat ignoring it (mostly) for twenty years. So, yes, hold the politicians responsible, but what have any americans learned during this debacle?

 

[SmallGameAddict]

This is why I believe that afghanistan is such an epic clusterfuck we need to own it as a nation. And that includes the voters. We all knew that this was going on but sat ignoring it (mostly) for twenty years. So, yes, hold the politicians responsible, but what have any americans learned during this debacle?

Me personally I had already learned 2 lessons- Viet Nam and the USSR rolling into Aghanistan. Yes I'm old enough to remember both of those as front page news.

The US .gov should have given that a lot more thought, but the voters memories are as short as the general public's attention span so...

 

[Mosinitis]

This is why I believe that afghanistan is such an epic clusterfuck we need to own it as a nation. And that includes the voters. We all knew that this was going on but sat ignoring it (mostly) for twenty years. So, yes, hold the politicians responsible, but what have any americans learned during this debacle?

The average American learned nothing. There is a filter in people's heads. Anything short of we are the Greatest country in the world that does no wrong is filtered out. Even when it backfires in a big way. After 9/11 attacks the same agencies that created AlQaeda received more support and funding, instead of a backlash. Did they change their ways? NO!!!! Still supporting various terrorist organizations and lying to the public.

 

[Jmac00]

well it turns out Dictator Xiden not only screwed the pooch on the withdraw, HE neglected to tell ANY WORLD LEADER WHAT HE WAS ABOUT TO DO

Now both France and the UK are sending PARATROOPERS to physically go get their people out of the sand box. they are not going to rely on the *TALLYBAN* good nature to let their people leave peaceably and freely

 

[tony]

I see this Afghanistan mess as another facet of the big picture of the wrecking our economy. The leaving millions of $$'s of military hardware/technology in the desert, opening our borders, paying Americans NOT to work, the corona virus, is hurting us bad. We cannot sustain this buy printing more dollars just as the russians could not sustain their economy during the cold war and beyond and they finally broke. I hope to God we are not on that path and while I try to keep a positive outlook I sense big trouble on the horizon.

But I'm old...

 

[spat]

This is why I believe that afghanistan is such an epic clusterfuck we need to own it as a nation. And that includes the voters. We all knew that this was going on but sat ignoring it (mostly) for twenty years. So, yes, hold the politicians responsible, but what have any americans learned during this debacle?

20 years ago the Taliban were openly harboring Bin Laden.

Don't forget that.

We absolutely could not allow that to stand.

So I agree with going in.

 

[Mosinitis]

20 years ago the Taliban were openly harboring Bin Laden.

Don't forget that.

We absolutely could not allow that to stand.

So I agree with going in.

Taliban condemned 9/11 attacks on the very next day. They were willing to hand over BinLaden if evidence was provided. We will never know if they would or wouldn't have. They weren't given a chance. We needed to retaliate against someone and they dress alike. Diplomacy was never attempted. We could have brought him to justice in 2001.

 

[livingston]

A Biden voter ?

 

[Blimey]

Taliban condemned 9/11 attacks on the very next day. They were willing to hand over BinLaden if evidence was provided. We will never know if they would or wouldn't have. They weren't given a chance. We needed to retaliate against someone and they dress alike. Diplomacy was never attempted. We could have brought him to justice in 2001.

A couple of articles from october of 2001 Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

Taliban maintains refusal to turn over bin Laden

www.chicagotribune.com

I can't remember the timeline but it looks like USA almost immediately started bombing camps (early october, I think) and shit trying to ferret him out. Taliban said stop this. Bush said I'll stop when you hand him over, so it became a chicken and egg. However, Khan the taliban spokesman " said the United States did not offer clear-cut evidence of bin Laden's involvement ". Probable they were just jerking around.

 

[spat]

Taliban condemned 9/11 attacks on the very next day. They were willing to hand over BinLaden if evidence was provided. We will never know if they would or wouldn't have. They weren't given a chance. We needed to retaliate against someone and they dress alike. Diplomacy was never attempted. We could have brought him to justice in 2001.

You are right, we will never know.

But I suspect that there is no evidence the Taliban would have accepted.

And I'm sure we weren't willing to compromise our intelligence sources by producing such evidence.

That's the entire reason for Guantanimo. If we were willing to divulge the evidence, we could have tried those prisoners in a court of law and locked them in a supermax.

I am *not* defending what went on with Guantanimo though, I think we *should* have tried and convicted them, or treated them as POWs. Inventing this new "enemy combatant" status to bypass their legal rights was a very dangerous thing IMHO.

 

[kev74]

I'm listening to the pudding-head in chief.

The man is not inspiring confidence.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Mosinitis]

You are right, we will never know.

But I suspect that there is no evidence the Taliban would have accepted.

And I'm sure we weren't willing to compromise our intelligence sources by producing such evidence.

That's the entire reason for Guantanimo. If we were willing to divulge the evidence, we could have tried those prisoners in a court of law and locked them in a supermax.

I am *not* defending what went on with Guantanimo though, I think we *should* have tried and convicted them, or treated them as POWs. Inventing this new "enemy combatant" status to bypass their legal rights was a very dangerous thing IMHO.

There were several reasons for Guantanimo. Taliban was an official military force of Afghanistan at the time and subject to protections under the Geneva Convention as POW's. Various arguments were used to strip them of these protections. One that I remember, their lack of uniforms.
None of the 9/11 hijackers were Afghan. Years later there is more evidence implicating Saudi government officials than Taliban, but we all know Saudi Royal family are friends of Bush family, so this was swept under the rug.
After the 9/11, Taliban leader Mullah Omar was equally blamed as BinLaden. Today, no one really knows or cares what happened to him. Is he dead or alive, no one knows for sure.

 

[kev74]

 

[spat]

There were several reasons for Guantanimo. Taliban was an official military force of Afghanistan at the time and subject to protections under the Geneva Convention as POW's. Various arguments were used to strip them of these protections. One that I remember, their lack of uniforms.
None of the 9/11 hijackers were Afghan. Years later there is more evidence implicating Saudi government officials than Taliban, but we all know Saudi Royal family are friends of Bush family, so this was swept under the rug.
After the 9/11, Taliban leader Mullah Omar was equally blamed as BinLaden. Today, no one really knows or cares what happened to him. Is he dead or alive, no one knows for sure.

Bin Laden was responsible. Nobody serious suggested that the Taliban had any a priori responsibility, just that they were harboring Bin Laden after the fact, and we weren't going to allow that.

As for Saudi government responsibility, I'm not really sure what their motive would be. I can see more motive for some in the US government than the Saudi's

 

[Mosinitis]

Bin Laden was responsible. Nobody serious suggested that the Taliban had any a priori responsibility, just that they were harboring Bin Laden after the fact, and we weren't going to allow that.

As for Saudi government responsibility, I'm not really sure what their motive would be. I can see more motive for some in the US government than the Saudi's

After 9/11 attacks took place, people were debating if Taliban approved them or not. So yes, many people seriously believed that, not so much now.
There were Saidi government officials who shared BinLaden radical beliefs. Nothing strange about that.