livingston
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He understands well ..
The ONE thing you must do to Survive (and the 2 things that will get you)
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He understands well ..
He makes a lot of good points
Some of the things he says are always in the back of my mind and partly a motivation for "when" I finally move that instead of moving to another suburb somewhere else to move out more rural instead.
If you really genuinely believe in prepping and the likelihood of bad things on the horizon coming, then you should take it seriously and this is great advice. If you really believe it you should take it into consideration in taking major life changing decisions. (Whether you believe his religious points or not what he says makes sense)
I spend a lot of time trolling out of state real estate listings. It takes a long time to find an affordable housing market, with good demographics lower population density and lower crime, in a mild climate with with decent internet for remote work or close enough but not too close to a population center for jobs.
When I look at random properties now in other locations I regularly am looking at small homestead locations in 2-10 acres. At absolute minimum I want to have berry bushes, fruit trees, chickens and a garden.
Tennessee is my dream. But it's also becoming much more expensive than it was 3 years ago. I love Tennessee and it's a dream but I'm also researching WV, KY, VA, NC, SC.
WV and KY have the most readily available and affordable small homestead locations from what I've been able to see.
I'm taking time to really ponder important life questions.
Some of the things he says are always in the back of my mind and partly a motivation for "when" I finally move that instead of moving to another suburb somewhere else to move out more rural instead.
If you really genuinely believe in prepping and the likelihood of bad things on the horizon coming, then you should take it seriously and this is great advice. If you really believe it you should take it into consideration in taking major life changing decisions. (Whether you believe his religious points or not what he says makes sense)
I spend a lot of time trolling out of state real estate listings. It takes a long time to find an affordable housing market, with good demographics lower population density and lower crime, in a mild climate with with decent internet for remote work or close enough but not too close to a population center for jobs.
When I look at random properties now in other locations I regularly am looking at small homestead locations in 2-10 acres. At absolute minimum I want to have berry bushes, fruit trees, chickens and a garden.
Tennessee is my dream. But it's also becoming much more expensive than it was 3 years ago. I love Tennessee and it's a dream but I'm also researching WV, KY, VA, NC, SC.
WV and KY have the most readily available and affordable small homestead locations from what I've been able to see.
I'm taking time to really ponder important life questions.
livingston
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Looking at some of these listings online and one cannot believe the prices. Was watching a you tube and a rancher in Wyoming said 1200/acre for range land
Is that a lot for that type of land?
I genuinely have no idea if that's cheap or expensive
livingston
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25 years ago range land in South Dakota was around 200/acre I believe
I very much enjoy his "Sermons". He preaches without preaching.
They live a rather poor and meager life, but if they are happy, I am happy for them.
I think they have a great working homestead, they have the right amount of people living on their compound, each to his own and to the community.
Nothing that he talks about is wrong; too many just cannot understand.
n the video, he talks about these new home development areas, when I drive out to Lockport on the 990, I see exactly what he is referring to and my reactions are the same as his. Huge homes, stacked one on top of the other, right off of the highway. I laugh and comment each and every time I pass by them.
C0-worker friends of mine near brag about where they live now, same types of areas and house set ups, like they made it big or something. Smell your neighbors food as they cook it, hear their conversations and listen to them banging out at night. No quiet, no privacy and sure death when SHTF.
Thank you, but no thank you.
They live a rather poor and meager life, but if they are happy, I am happy for them.
I think they have a great working homestead, they have the right amount of people living on their compound, each to his own and to the community.
Nothing that he talks about is wrong; too many just cannot understand.
n the video, he talks about these new home development areas, when I drive out to Lockport on the 990, I see exactly what he is referring to and my reactions are the same as his. Huge homes, stacked one on top of the other, right off of the highway. I laugh and comment each and every time I pass by them.
C0-worker friends of mine near brag about where they live now, same types of areas and house set ups, like they made it big or something. Smell your neighbors food as they cook it, hear their conversations and listen to them banging out at night. No quiet, no privacy and sure death when SHTF.
Thank you, but no thank you.
Acer-m14
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been watching his vids for a while ..
Acer-m14
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i'm glad that my neighbors like my cooking .. i share .. lol .. but it may end really fast
but this shit happens .. Agent of the State called for cooking .. WTF
livingston
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Vinson57
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I got 12 acres of land in the country that is the end of a giant field from a near farmer. I tell people, I have a corn field. I guess he needed money as they will rent it back to 50 bucks and it pays the taxes if you apply for the agricultural exemptions. What happens here is the land remains clear and any year, I can tell the farmer, leave me some space for that garden I will need. I have another farmer who will take over the arrangement so no risks here at all.
However, once or twice a year, I get a post card from some land buyer want to buy land from them searching the tax rolls. No, they are not going to get it and would not like my asking price.
However, once or twice a year, I get a post card from some land buyer want to buy land from them searching the tax rolls. No, they are not going to get it and would not like my asking price.
Vapor
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I hate click bait titles.
The only thing I can hear my neighbor do really is mow, weed eat, or drive his atv. Our houses are still only 80 meters apart.
Board up the cities and let no one out. You people gave us these horrendous laws, government overreach, and tried to tell us the right way to live. You stay in your diseased clutches of liberal thought and face your tribulations.
The only thing I can hear my neighbor do really is mow, weed eat, or drive his atv. Our houses are still only 80 meters apart.
Board up the cities and let no one out. You people gave us these horrendous laws, government overreach, and tried to tell us the right way to live. You stay in your diseased clutches of liberal thought and face your tribulations.
RedBreast21
.223 Rem
It's hard not to agree with what he was saying but to give the impression that all land is good land for a basic crop to feed say a family of four, is false. Absolutely false. You can do it at a big expense and make the land more fertile if it isn't already. Now rich city folk moving out to his neck of the woods will likely have the money to spend to make it happen where as the local residence when facing the same starvation scenario may not and that brings on an entirely new situation. Land is always a good investment but you have to have enough of it, irrigation and good soil. That type of land isn't cheap. The more you have the more you have to protect in these SHTF stuff. The only real viable option is to create communities. No man is an island.
livingston
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Now I have followed this fellow for years so I did not get that impression that all land is tillable . There is a lot of land in this country that produces tremendous crop yields . but one would walk away as a SHTF location. One example is where you have an occasional flood ... Like along the Mississippi river . ..Look at the state of western Washington ... Massive floods. Wildfire in the dry season.
Pastor Joe is an interesting person. Speaks too direct for You tube .. Tired of being shut down went to Patron ,,, I have never signed up. $$. He follows the Jewish faith and wants to have people around him of the same belief. .. And work ethic. .. There are parcels of land that folks can buy I believe. However he is very select .
Up here in Livingston county was a Shaker Community . Never allowing marriage doomed it from day one however it was an interesting concept. .
They were self sufficient and welcomed folk into that community. They toiled all summer had massive gardens.. Put up a ton of food. A lot of people would join that community in the late fall only to leave in the spring.... Just used them as a meal ticket. ... Found that interesting.
Something we all should be aware of.
This year fertilizer is out of sight $$$ wise. One will see crop yields drop all over the world. What happens in a SHTF situation when one has no access to any. .. That is another issue folks don't think about.
You mentioned good land is not cheap. True .. His point was folks live in massive homes today Not all ... 3-4000 sq ft homes and massive price and tax bill.. (upkeep ) I have the same with some of my family. . Not too worried about any blips along the way. I believe they think I am a bit strange. ( the prepping stuff I do ) Even my girlfriend questions stuff I buy... . Bought a MSR stove last year .. It is used in the Arctic Will burn Gasoline, diesel, Kerosene I believe even lighter fluid.... (I have other stoves ) -30 below it will work.... Might go overboard a little.
We all try to prepare in our own way. Go back and read history. Read a story where one fellow had about 20-30 apple trees on his small farm.
Depression came along and he sold the apples one at a time on the street corner . Provided him with the needed income to survive the land tax man . Who would think about such stuff today.
Cavalry
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Completely accurate.
I have 43 mostly wooded acres. It was all farmland 100 years ago, but then they gave up. Where my house sits is all sand as far as you can dig. Go 250' to one of the few clearings I have and its all the nastiest clay you have seen. Sure you can amend it, but at what cost? Go another 250' and its sandy gravel, go another 250' and its all rock. In a 5 min walk you can have greatly different soil all of which will change the outcome of any crop viability. I also am at 1700' or so, my growing season is 2-3 weeks shorter than 10 miles away.
IMO my land is only good for a woodlot, small plots and if cleared grazing. Certainly not a full on self sustaining farm.
RedBreast21
.223 Rem
Although I live in westchester I grew up spending my summers, 7 weeks a year up until 18 on my relatives farms in Ireland. Little did I know how much I would learn about farming, raising animals for market, providing milk for local consumption, making butter, recognizing good planting land and growing crops for market and self consumption...ect. that shit isn't easy and can't be sufficiently learned on YouTube lol
Those already in rural areas should start to live off their land now if for no other reason than to fail and make adjustments. Yes, fail.
You would be surprised how much land you need. lol Of course methods to store that food for long term use needs to be practiced. Dont forget of course your armed neighbors who may not be doing as well as you.
Its a rabbit hole for sure. lol
Those already in rural areas should start to live off their land now if for no other reason than to fail and make adjustments. Yes, fail.
You would be surprised how much land you need. lol Of course methods to store that food for long term use needs to be practiced. Dont forget of course your armed neighbors who may not be doing as well as you.
Its a rabbit hole for sure. lol
livingston
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One time there were soil surveys done on most all of the land (early 1900's ) Soil samples were taken and grids plotted . They determined what type of soil was on a field and drew up detailed reports on what should the use be for that land. I have reviewed maps at an ag college before. and they seem to be on line now. It seems like they classified perhaps most land in this country.
I have not used what I have posted above but as I said I have viewed the printed version in the past. I had no problem finding the location of the land I am on.
RedBreast21
.223 Rem
I'm sure those records exist here. While doing my family tree for my Irish ancestors I found land composition assessments dating back into the mid 1800's and earlier.
Should be safe to say they exist in records here as well. People might want to look into that if they have plans on growing things.
Should be safe to say they exist in records here as well. People might want to look into that if they have plans on growing things.
Cavalry
.308 Win
I am sure on 1000 acre plots that may be a guideline that one can use. I checked my property, its listed all sandy loam. I disagree.
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Vapor
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You know what a lot will have to learn to do? Do things that are unpleasant.
I don't mean war or violence. Preppers focus wayyyyyy to much on becoming a wiz bang operator.
No, it's things like trapping and eating mice.
Eating worms and grubs.
Being uncomfortable for long periods of time.
Collaboration with people you don't like.
I don't mean war or violence. Preppers focus wayyyyyy to much on becoming a wiz bang operator.
No, it's things like trapping and eating mice.
Eating worms and grubs.
Being uncomfortable for long periods of time.
Collaboration with people you don't like.
I spoke of feelings and thoughts in a different thread earlier today.
Feelings and inner thoughts is what will do a lot of people in. The "thought" of eating something like a worm or a rat.
The "feeling' of grossness, eating fresh roadkill.
Sure, training hard with a firearm and tactics is great, I am all for it; but many need to train a bit more on controlling their emotions.
This thread and my frustration at my job and NY has my day dreaming
Ive started random Zillow searching for the following criteria
3+ bedrooms
1.5+ baths
5+ acres
Price range 100,000 - 200,000.
Totally affordable, reasonable small homestead type criteria.
Not specifically looking for any 1 specific state (cough) TN, but I'm just checking all random locations to see what's out there in lower population density areas
www.zillow.com
7+ acres
I don't know much about Kansas but this is near the eastern border with Missouri and outside a medium sized town in middle of nowhere. That would totally work
There's a lot of places like this out there if you're willing to look
Ive started random Zillow searching for the following criteria
3+ bedrooms
1.5+ baths
5+ acres
Price range 100,000 - 200,000.
Totally affordable, reasonable small homestead type criteria.
Not specifically looking for any 1 specific state (cough) TN, but I'm just checking all random locations to see what's out there in lower population density areas
926 N Main St, Pittsburg, KS 66762 | Zillow
926 N Main St, Pittsburg KS, is a Single Family home that contains 1764 sq ft.It contains 4 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $265,800, which has increased by $1,800 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is $1,495/mo, which has increased...
www.zillow.com
7+ acres
I don't know much about Kansas but this is near the eastern border with Missouri and outside a medium sized town in middle of nowhere. That would totally work
There's a lot of places like this out there if you're willing to look
Vapor
.308 Win
You'd be surprised how many people recoil when I tell them squirrel tastes like dark meat chicken.
Or wild rabbits can taste like juniper.
It's all meat to me.
Actually the smell of butchering a deer in good to me. All the iron in the blood. It smells fresh, clean. It's sadly a smell that I haven't been around in awhile.
RedBreast21
.223 Rem
I totally agree. Working a farm is hard, calories burning work 24/7. Throws the whole I can live on X number of calories a day right on my survival food, out the window. lol
Unless you're living off the grid and unknown to most now, you will have a tough time and people problems. Desperate people will do desperate things and some would rather burn your stuff to the ground than suffer their fate alone. Kind of like the Vaxxed vs unvaxxed right now. lol
Vapor
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Another subject I don't feel like breaching on a public forum is zero risk defensive options. They are only risky in that they are mostly indiscriminate.
Uzi
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You're not alone.
When I was young, I developed this sort of "dark passenger". I guess it was a primitive need to hunt? Anyways, I would contain the urges by hunting deer and ended up moving into different game soon after. The sight and smell of blood has always been so satisfying. I became a blood spatter analyst for Miami metro homicide division for years before moving to upstate NY, and the rest is history.
Acer-m14
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taking a snip of that .. Look at the Groveland Flats Rt 256 .. .. Floods every year .. they should be growing rice there ..
Oct 2021 ..
It's the crab mentality.
It's literally a thing. It's real. And some people also have this same psychological defect.
Crab mentality - Wikipedia
livingston
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I am reading the book when money dies dealing with hyper inflation in Germany 1920's .. At one point farmers did not sell any crops as they were getting hit with at hourly inflation . Perhaps barter but money was worthless. . Folks were starving. I mean dying starving. Groups of people would attack the farms take anything edible .. And kill what they did not take. In the end Folks living off the land had nothing also ... No horses for plowing .. Barns were set on fire .. No seed for next years planting. .... Actual history .. We could see again. We think we have "advanced " as a society ... Greater morals... We embrace the Trans trend with open arms.... we are the enlighten ones. ... Let society go to hell and see what happens... One will be living in the dark ages. Could be going back to the clans like Scotland .. Until a bigger force defeats them all.
Vapor
.308 Win
How are Harry and Deb these days?
Why did you send your son to live in South America by the way?