These hacking groups are eyeing power grids, says security company

[spat]

I'm guessing you're probably familiar with the Metcalf substation attack in San Jose a few years ago

In your opinion how dangerous would that be if carried out simultaneously on maybe 4 or 5 regional major routing substations?

It seems to me at least that it would cause a massive regional cascading failure that would take perhaps weeks to restore.

The individuals who pulled off the Metcalf substation attack demonstrated a significant amount of operational planning and discipline. No reason to think they wouldn't be capable of doing the same thing replicated on a larger scale. (I think there is a chance it was an Iranian sleeper cell beta test)

Could be a test like you say.

I wouldn't really call it that sophisticated though, maybe well coordinated is all.

If it was sophisticated it could have probably done a lot more damage.

Shooting up a transformer with an AK doesn't strike me as that sophisticated, especially when it didn't even fail until it leaked out enough oil to overheat.

Certainly a coordinated attack on multiple sites could be devastating. It wouldn't take that many people either, they could drive from site to site, it's unlikely they could all be secured quickly.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Could be a test like you say.

I wouldn't really call it that sophisticated though, maybe well coordinated is all.

If it was sophisticated it could have probably done a lot more damage.

Shooting up a transformer with an AK doesn't strike me as that sophisticated, especially when it didn't even fail until it leaked out enough oil to overheat.

Certainly a coordinated attack on multiple sites could be devastating. It wouldn't take that many people either, they could drive from site to site, it's unlikely they could all be secured quickly.

True and good point

I meant sophisticated because they knew to cut the fiber optic lines first and a few other details. They had obviously done some planning, it wasn't just a few dudes sitting around bored and drunk. It was planned out.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I'm honestly surprised that we havent had cyber attacks on our power grid already.

Depends on who releases what to the media, who knows what goes on or what's been fended off by good cyber security. You don't spill the beans and expose your flanks.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I'm guessing you're probably familiar with the Metcalf substation attack in San Jose a few years ago

In your opinion how dangerous would that be if carried out simultaneously on maybe 4 or 5 regional major routing substations?

It seems to me at least that it would cause a massive regional cascading failure that would take perhaps weeks to restore.

The individuals who pulled off the Metcalf substation attack demonstrated a significant amount of operational planning and discipline. No reason to think they wouldn't be capable of doing the same thing replicated on a larger scale. (I think there is a chance it was an Iranian sleeper cell beta test)

Apparently some people (kids) are paying attention after all.

Just be alert guys, if kids are thinking it but are dumb enough to get caught, more "professional" types are probably capable of pulling it off.

More reason to keep stocking up. People don't realize the razor thin margin that holds society together.

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[Brian Colt]

This is much more likely to happen than the dreaded EMP.

Still much better than an emp. Generators and most electronic items, trucks could still deliver food ànd supplies.

 

[TheMoneyPit]

This thread got me thinking....

Curious if the petroleum industry and gas stations have a contingency plan for how to access fuel if there is mass grid down.

I have a generator and a couple big containers of gas but it would only buy a little time if the more fuel supply was inaccessible.

 

[BDinPutnam]

This thread got me thinking....

Curious if the petroleum industry and gas stations have a contingency plan for how to access fuel if there is mass grid down.

I have a generator and a couple big containers of gas but it would only buy a little time if the more fuel supply was inaccessible.

IIRC after Hurricane Sandy, NJ passed a law requiring gas stations to have back up power. I recall it was quite a sight and a wake up call for me to see stations that had full reserve tanks- that couldn't get fuel out to customers because the pumps had no power.

 

[Steal2B]

We have attacks daily.

What's surprising is that they aren't more successful.

There are frequent attacks. With so much of the infrastructure's systems and districts antiquated, the impacts of hackers won't be as dire as some claim. There are serious vulnerabilities, but a cyber attack is not the worst threat. Not much different than an EMP impact on a fleet of 1970 VW bugs and straight six 1973 Chevy Stepside pick ups.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

The nashville explosion seems to have done quite a bit of damage to ATT in the area even shutdown the airport

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[repete]

This thread got me thinking....

Curious if the petroleum industry and gas stations have a contingency plan for how to access fuel if there is mass grid down.

I don't know about the "industry" but I've seen a local power outage close a couple of truck stops down, pumps down and store closed.

 

[masterswimmer]

We lost electric this morning due to the high winds. Transformer blew at 3:15am. The flashing O&R lights were here within 1 minute. Got a text message a minute latter that they were aware of the outage. Had my genny running at 7am. Fixed about noon.

 

[libertysnake]

We lost electric this morning due to the high winds. Transformer blew at 3:15am. The flashing O&R lights were here within 1 minute. Got a text message a minute latter that they were aware of the outage. Had my genny running at 7am. Fixed about noon.

I had lost power Christmas eve. Came up 3 hours later. Kept the fridge shut, not a big deal in the end.

Lot of wind related shit, but the substation near me has some MAJOR shit going on. Every night I hear loud electrical buzzing from a mile or two out it's so loud. Sounds like a tesla coil on steroids. It's not a thunderous boom by the time I hear it, but it's not a whisper either. Lights flicker, stabilizes in a few minutes.

 

[masterswimmer]

I had lost power Christmas eve. Came up 3 hours later. Kept the fridge shut, not a big deal in the end.

Lot of wind related shit, but the substation near me has some MAJOR shit going on. Every night I hear loud electrical buzzing from a mile or two out it's so loud. Sounds like a tesla coil on steroids. It's not a thunderous boom by the time I hear it, but it's not a whisper either. Lights flicker, stabilizes in a few minutes.

We also kept the fridge shut, no flushing toilets (we're on a well). I didn't want to start up the genny at 3:15am. No need for that noise to kill my sleep. 7am was fine for me. We just collected the porcelain deposits until I wanted to start up the backup.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Oh snap

U.S. officials are reportedly privately worried Russia stole blueprints for U.S. blackout restoration

In public, American officials have said they do not believe Russia's SVR intelligence agency "pierced" classified systems and stole sensitive communications and plans during an alleged cyberattack on what may have been hundreds of networks in the United States, The New York Times reports. But...

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