holdover
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Things are heating up between the US and Iran thread
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holdover
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Would you provide military aid, airstrikes?
No. I wouldn't participate in my allies fighting each other. I would get them to try and work out a peace agreement.
Example, Australia and New Zealand are fighting, I have them try to work out a peace agreement.
stokes
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Exactly. Fuck em
holdover
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That only works once. The credibility of the US as an allie will be in the trash.
stokes
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We dont have "allies" we have subordinate nation partners.
spat
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Lol, countries are not friends.
Alliances only last as long as both sides see a benefit.
JaguarJaguarGolf
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China wants Australia. They want the entire Pacific. More than 50 commercial flights in and around Australia had to be rerouted in the past few months because of China conducting live fire naval exercises all around the perimeter of Australia.
JaguarJaguarGolf
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China has the same goals that Japan had in the 1920’s-30’s and 40’s.
Robin
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Seems that most of our so called allies only support that alliance when we, the USA, carry the financial burden for that pact, note the hew and cry when Trump demanded that our European 'allies' in that pact pay their fair share for NATO, as opposed to the USA paying most of the bills. But then, how would they afford all that socialism lite, in placating their populations.
Robin
Robin
holdover
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Nobody said friends, An allie is an allie, for whatever purposes. fucking your allie over ruins your credibility with other allies, thats a fact.
holdover
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How much is propaganda and how much is fact? Because China hasnt invaded anyone in a few hundred years.
spat
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The singular for allies is ally.
And you are assuming that any countries are just "trusting" you if you are allies.
Remember, we have spies in the governent if every ally we have right now, and everyone knows it, and they all have spies here too.
And we interfere in their elections and they interfere in ours.
Nobody trusts anybody, there's no credibility to risk.
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spat
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The communists currently in control invaded *China* in just the last century.
They also invaded
Vietnam
Korea
Tibet
Burma
India
And Russia
They're not *good* at invading their neighbors, but it's not for a lack of trying.
Seriously, what ridiculous sources do you get your history from ?
holdover
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What does that have to do with an alliance? We were allied with the communists against Germany. So what?
holdover
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History books, those are all basically border skirmishes, not full scale invasions But if you want to split hairs like you always do Ok.
spat
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Yes, and absolutely everyone saw the cold war coming from a decade away.
That's just how that stuff works.
It's just like partnerships with mega corporations. They aren't friends, they don't trust each other. Everyone knows the partnership lasts just as long as it benefits everyone.
You don't owe them anything more than was contractually obligated.
With nations it's even less.
holdover
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The problem is if you enter into an agreement with another country promising support in case of war against a common enemy and when called on, you side with the other country, or give no support at all , Your treaty isnt worth the paper its printed on , Somehow you seem to miss the entire point .
holdover
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I have no argument with that
Therein lies the issue, not only are you not fulling your obligations , you are supporting their enemy's. ( when referring to the original question of war between 2 allies)
in other words your obligations and treaty's are worth dogshit . If things get tough, your gone. Good luck making any more alliances at the expense of their safety. You have also emboldened thier enemys to attack if they realize Your going to cut and run if the cost is to high.
What happened to:
The famous quote, "We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty," JFK ????
Except if we dont want to? WTF???
You adhere to the Adolph Hitler foreign policy theory.
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spat
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JFK wasn't wrong.
But what when that obligation doesn't comport with the "success of liberty" ?
Are you arguing that we should have opened a can of whup-ass on Russia in eastern Ukraine to honor our Budapest memorandum obligations ?
I thought you were of the opposite opinion there ?