Things are heating up in the Donbass

[spat]

the reaction would the same as it for a tomahawk launch, they would assume the missile is nuclear and respond while its still in the air , there is no way to know if its a nuke or not. thats thier present doctrine on certain weapon systems, which is why Ukraine doesn't have tomahawks or other nuclear capable systems

That's obviously false.

The list of "nuclear capable" weapons systems is huge. They may not be officially certified, but Ukraine DGAF about what's certified.

We had nuclear artillery at one point.

You can drop a B61 from nearly anything that flys. You could strap one to a Cessna in about 20 mins if you wanted.

That doctrine really only applies to ICBMs and SLBMs. And even then, a lone launch isn't going to be responded to with a full nuclear response.

 

[spat]

I dont doubt thier ability and know how, Im just saying they are in the middle of a serious war, they lack the cash and if Russia gets wind of it they are going to make a special project out it . If the russians blew the lab up after spending all that money its going to be a real kick in the shorts, I dont think they would risk it myself. Not impossible, but under the present conditions unlikely.

They already *have* the expensive infrastructure. It's not a cash issue for them.

And they wouldn't need to let a lot of people in on the plan until they were ready to conduct the final testing.

A few people who run the reactor would need to know, and some more high level scientists. But the plutonium route *once you have the reactor* is no where near as industry intensive as a uranium route.

Ukraine already has multiple suitable research reactors.

 

[Mosinitis]

Neo-Nazi controlled regime with nukes? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[spat]

Neo-Nazi controlled regime with nukes? What could possibly go wrong?

Putin has lots of nukes and he's trying to get Stalin's band back together.

So, if giving Ukraine nukes is what it takes to stop that, so be it.

 

[GOPerfect]

Been a while....

Go Russia!

 

[Robin]

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[holdover]

Putin has lots of nukes and he's trying to get Stalin's band back together.

So, if giving Ukraine nukes is what it takes to stop that, so be it.

It would just be suicide by Nukes

 

[holdover]

Trump is going to fuck this meeting up with Putin big league. The Russians will not negotiate thier national security period. they made that perfectly clear 3 years ago. Zlensky wont allow Russia to keep its land. this meeting is DOA

 

[spat]

Trump is going to fuck this meeting up with Putin big league. The Russians will not negotiate thier national security period. they made that perfectly clear 3 years ago. Zlensky wont allow Russia to keep its land. this meeting is DOA

You're not wrong about the meeting being DOA.

But I'm not sure how forcing NATO to get involved is in Russia's national security interest.

NATO has made it clear they're not going to let him continue to plunder Ukraine's sovereign territory. The harder he pushes the more foreign equipment (and eventually troops) he's going to have on his border.

If he pushes too hard he's going to cause a collapse of the Russian military and economy, again.

You have to try the negotiation before you decide who has to get to get their ass kicked. I can't fault Trump for that.

Trump isn't going to get what he wants (a nice clean peace deal to brag about). That's for sure.

But both Putin and Zelensky are the ones to really need to tread carefully here. Their words are going to decide how Trump reacts to the failure.

This could go very badly for either of them.

 

[spat]

It would just be suicide by Nukes

For someone.

 

[tirwin1]

I'm probably wrong but I'm cautiously optimistic about the summit. Trump has been sending an emissary over to talk to Putin and the Russians for months. I doubt they would have scheduled this if there wasn't already something agreed to in the preliminary negotiations. But perhaps this is Trump's way of giving putin one last chance at peace.